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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Female ENTP relative to female ENFP and male ENTP

    Okay, I know I've been complaining about these threads, but there hasn't been a thread about this specific detail about female ENTPs. I can smell fellow male ENTPs from a mile away, and I can usually tell an ExxP from other types instantly. However, I know two female ENxPs that I have trouble typing. One of them I've known for some time; I thought she was ENTP at one point, but decided on ENFP later. The other one I do not know too well but she appears to be an obvious ENxP to me. I did not really believe that a type could be that different between two genders, but I am quickly realizing that female ENTPs may be quite different from male ENTPs. I am not sure of the extent of difference, and I'd like to ask for a list of key differences between male and female ENTPs and an easy way to differentiate these female ENTPs from ENFPs.

    It's worth noting that I have gotten into a debate over ethics and morality against the one that I know better (where I was the one telling her that she didn't care about others enough). Although that one could also be explained as Fe vs Fi. Another time, she and I (along with some one else) were talking about something in math class that was completely irrelevant to the class. After we were done, she raised her hand. When the teacher called on her, she immediately blurted out everything that we were talking about, even though it had nothing to do with the class. The whole time, I was making this face and screaming at her silently. Fortunately for her though, the teacher was pretty nice and just acted like nothing really happened (although I could tell that she was definitely confused).

    I suspected the other one to be ENFP at first, but in the classes that we share, I have noticed that she tends to ask a lot of good, well-thought-out questions. She seems pretty intelligent overall and her logic seems pretty solid, but she has a lot of characteristics that I've never seen in a male ENTP nor in myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trollmaster View Post
    Okay, I know I've been complaining about these threads, but there hasn't been a thread about this specific detail about female ENTPs. I can smell fellow male ENTPs from a mile away, and I can usually tell an ExxP from other types instantly. However, I know two female ENxPs that I have trouble typing. One of them I've known for some time; I thought she was ENTP at one point, but decided on ENFP later. The other one I do not know too well but she appears to be an obvious ENxP to me. I did not really believe that a type could be that different between two genders, but I am quickly realizing that female ENTPs may be quite different from male ENTPs. I am not sure of the extent of difference, and I'd like to ask for a list of key differences between male and female ENTPs and an easy way to differentiate these female ENTPs from ENFPs.

    It's worth noting that I have gotten into a debate over ethics and morality against the one that I know better (where I was the one telling her that she didn't care about others enough). Although that one could also be explained as Fe vs Fi. Another time, she and I (along with some one else) were talking about something in math class that was completely irrelevant to the class. After we were done, she raised her hand. When the teacher called on her, she immediately blurted out everything that we were talking about, even though it had nothing to do with the class. The whole time, I was making this face and screaming at her silently. Fortunately for her though, the teacher was pretty nice and just acted like nothing really happened (although I could tell that she was definitely confused).

    I suspected the other one to be ENFP at first, but in the classes that we share, I have noticed that she tends to ask a lot of good, well-thought-out questions. She seems pretty intelligent overall and her logic seems pretty solid, but she has a lot of characteristics that I've never seen in a male ENTP nor in myself.
    I don't think I will ever be sold on ENTP for myself, despite cognitive function order analysis (To the EXTREME).

    I think that I have already wrote somewhere that it's probably very difficult (On occasion) to differentiate between an ENFP and ENTP female.

    I think the core differences lie in the motivations behind their actions.

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    Have you been around them when they're really stressed?
    Not in a debate, stressed.
    ENFP's go on clear Fi rants when they're mad at people. You can tell it's Fi over Fe because there's no evidence of Ti in it. They will hate people they're friends with, talk about how they could be doing a better job if they were in charge of it, and really just get angry about small things. Then when the stress is over they treat everyone normal again. It's rare there's any resentment.
    I've known a lot of female ENFP's, and this has only not been true for two of them. One of them is pretty close on F/T, and I'm honestly not convinced she isn't an ENTP (she tested as an F), but the other was clearly an F for other reasons. How she talked about other people, the fact that she could not believe I don't hug my brother (Who I'm on good terms with, we're just not touchy people), and how she was determined to get straight A's second semester of her senior year. Because she wanted to. That's not too logical if you ask me.

    I've known one other female ENTP, and to start we're less likely to get stressed, and we're less vocal about it.

    Of course, you could always just ask. And if they don't know have them take the test. It's not that hard.

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    she has a lot of characteristics that I've never seen in a male ENTP nor in myself
    Well yeah.
    A lot of people want to say that female ENTP's are like "Male entp's with a very inverted penis" as one user put it, but it's not true. There are differences between guys and girls. Different hormones along with social conventions make that true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sighcantthinkofaname View Post
    . . . and how she was determined to get straight A's second semester of her senior year. Because she wanted to. That's not too logical if you ask me.
    I do a lot of things for illogical reasons; usually it's to piss people off or watch everyone's reactions.

    I guess you could call that a really twisted Fe, eh?

    But overall, thanks for the tips on distinguishing them, I forgot about that stress one.
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    I'm probably a low-key ENTP. It's very important that I be logical and not appear to be a Crazy Person. (Yes, my blood is red and ears are round. ;) ) FWIW. I try to admit logical mistakes if you point them out (if the point is to just find the logic and not be a douchebag ;) ).
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    Entp's prefer to use flattery and enjoy how easily this works when we need to gain cooperation. In fact calling it flattery cheapens it a little, more like charm or just genuinely having some sense about what another person cares about and being able to frame things accordingly. Enfp's go to elaborate lengths to use guilt motivation or hissy fits (sometimes). I mean if we are talking about an ENTP, ENFP female difference in a comparable situation, Entp's don't struggle with setting boundaries, being up-beat, straightforward, and constructive or relatively pleasant in one shot.

    Entp's do not do hissy fits. That doesn't mean we can't have a sort of meltdown under extreme stress (prolonged stress upon stress from a variety of sources, without time to sort it out as an example), but we don't go off topic.
    We don't send you cryptic messages, you don't need a Mars Venus book to decode anything. We say what we mean.

    Entp male/female differences would be more superficial differences? It's just not often productive or relevant for a female to flaunt ENTP-ness?

    For me, Ti means I have to have a reason to say something? Someones perception of me is going to be somewhat dependent on the situation. Unless I have a reason to specifically interact with you and have you perceive me a certain way, or unless you say something that triggers an idea or relevant connection to something, you might think I'm ISFJ or ESFJ? I don't walk into a room thinking about what you might think about me. Life, has taught me that women get treated better when they look better, and not in some extreme way, so my clothes match, my hair is sort of mainstream, and superficially without provocation to do otherwise, I'm polite. That seems to translate into the assumption of the above mentioned types because they are the majority?

    Sometimes bluntness because something seems intuitively obvious to us, or frustration that people don't do what makes sense in terms of observable cause and effect, ...... or intensity of trying to figure something out ..... is mistaken as emotional? In other words the same thing said by a man would be perceived differently and attached to different motivation by assumption, based on the package it came out of?

    Also, what you think is female entp might just be a trendy adolescent rebellion phase in the persons you are observing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Intern View Post
    Also, what you think is female entp might just be a trendy adolescent rebellion phase in the persons you are observing?
    It's less based off of rebeliousness. I can tell that she's an ExxP, I can tell ExxPs instantly. She's also shown A LOT of preference for more in-depth things, and she seems to be very abstract-oriented, and the more I look at it the less likely ESxP looks. Still trying to narrow it down though between ENTP and ENFP. Interestingly though, in one of our classes (we're both freshman but taking college level courses) that we share, we were the only two in the class to get an A on our last test (I got one more point than her, XD). I'm starting to like the way that she thinks though. I think possibly ENTP, although it's worth noting that ENFPs are a hell lot more common.
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    Enfp's can be intellectual, but fi in secondary mode doesn't translate to independent nature of Fi dom. They (ENFP's) need social status or recognition in the form of approval. It's not that an ENTP needs to tell the world to screw itself, but they just are more naturally removed or oblivious sometimes. Ti wants the competence or understanding of something but fi wants to feel good about herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Intern View Post
    Enfp's can be intellectual, but fi in secondary mode doesn't translate to independent nature of Fi dom. They (ENFP's) need social status or recognition in the form of approval. It's not that an ENTP needs to tell the world to screw itself, but they just are more naturally removed or oblivious sometimes. Ti wants the competence or understanding of something but fi wants to feel good about herself.
    Hrmm, from that point it's worth noting that she didn't really brag about it or anything. Since she's the only one who sits directly next to me in that class, I asked her what she got on the test. On the other hand, I walked into a giant mass of classmates holding my test and looking at it, after one guy asked me what I got, I told him my score. He immediately reacted by freaking out and telling the whole class what I got, lol. It was rather nice, never really liked bragging for myself, always nicer when I brag by proxy.

    She probably has a better social life than me though . . . but then again, I know INTPs with better social lives than me, lol.

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    I would suggest u learn to tell fe from fi. It is important
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