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This is a discussion on Why does everyone think ESFJs are stupid??? within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Originally Posted by lenabelle Is there necessarily an inverse relationship between EQ and IQ though? I've met people who have ...

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    Is there necessarily an inverse relationship between EQ and IQ though? I've met people who have certainly been high in both. Also, is there any evidence that ESFJs have average IQ or is that just an observation by you?
    I wasn't intentionally implying that, I'm sorry if you thought that's what I meant. It's just based off my observations of the ESFJs that I know (less than 10 of them), which does not represent the whole population.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers


    Quote Originally Posted by x1nfamousx View Post
    Apparently, it's a stereotype, and it makes no sense to me. I understand how different personality types have different strengths and weaknesses, but how can you blame a person's level of intelligence on their personality? I think anyone could be a genius; it just depends on how hard they work and their willingness to learn. My mother, brother, and best friend are all ESFJs, and they are all very bright, intelligent people. I also know of an ESFJ who graduated valedictorian in a class of over 400.

    Yes, when they get emotional or stressed, they don't really use logic or reasoning, but that's just because they are emotional. They aren't like that on a regular basis. This whole thing just confuses me.
    No one is using logic when they're stressed. That's why they're stressed. Stress comes into being when you find yourself in the split of the here and now but wanting to be in the future. And everyone is doing it. The insanity and how tiresome.

    A better question would be "why do people judge"?

  3. #23
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyromaniac View Post
    I don't remember hinting at that. I explained why the stereotype was so prevalent, I didn't justify it.
    Stupidity isn't necessarily irrationality. And irrational as some SFs are, intelligence remains a wildly ranged variable.
    The bound between irrationality and stupidity sometimes can be very sharp. I think that a mature and healthy ESFJ can be very rational and logical. I think that there could be irrational people from every type, not just from types with the inferior thinking function.
    However if the stereotype is linked to that, why are just ESFJs seen in this way and not also the other types with the inferior thinking function?
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Cloud View Post
    The bound between irrationality and stupidity sometimes can be very sharp. I think that a mature and healthy ESFJ can be very rational and logical. I think that there could be irrational people from every type, not just from types with the inferior thinking function.
    However if the stereotype is linked to that, why are just ESFJs seen in this way and not also the other types with the inferior thinking function?
    Of course. There are exceptions to every rule. We're talking in general terms, and my personal experience as well as the description of the type covers that rationality isn't the ESFJ's driving force. My best friend is an ESFJ, and he often preserves his opinions when contemporaneously accepting that their lack of logic, and then admitting that this pretty much defines ignorance.
    Because in ESFJ, you have 3 letters that aren't (as much) associated with intelligence. They point to an action-orientated, fun-loving, lively and sociable person. The common weakness in rationality is compensated for by an ESFJs many lovable values, it's not a decisive negative to not belong to the most prestigious type by intellect. A quick mind is only one of many keys to success.
    Last edited by Pyromaniac; 04-17-2013 at 12:42 PM.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    The answer is simple

    it's because ESFJS are
     
    subject to prejudice and the types that employ such petty insults are the less intelligent ones.

    oh and


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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Avril View Post
    I wasn't intentionally implying that, I'm sorry if you thought that's what I meant. It's just based off my observations of the ESFJs that I know (less than 10 of them), which does not represent the whole population.
    Ah, I'm just curious as to what actual studies have shown, as opposed to just observations by people here. Also, are you quite certain that the people you think are ESFJs are actually ESFJs? Have they taken any kind of test or are you just typing them in your head? As I said in my earlier post, I have known quite a few intelligent ESFJs, but that is because I work in a field where almost everyone is highly educated. There are smart people of every type represented in my workplace.

    This question is kind of moot anyway. I think in the end, it comes down to the fact that ESFJs (and other SFs) are smart in a way that NTs don't value or appreciate. We can spend all day arguing about it, but I think there are going to be inherent differences in the way we think, and that's fine. In an ideal world, we would learn to work together and combine our different types of intelligences rather than scorn each other.

  8. #27
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I think ESFJ and ESFP are thought as stupid because they are the opposite of the oh so smart INTP and INTJ.

    MINDFUCK!

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Well my mom is an ESFJ and she has always been my hero even though I'm likely an NT. I have looked up to her for strength and confidence and doing the right thing
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    Unknown Personality


    It seems to be that bias against S-and-F-types manifesting.

    Really is a shame though--all personalities have valuable things to offer.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Here's my observation.

    Almost all the SP replies in this thread have either restated or expanded the premise, or asked additional questions.

    The Ns have tried to answer those questions or construct theories.

    Perhaps this feeds into the notion that S are "dumb" because they don't try to concoct a theory. They just want to know the answer so they can apply it.


     
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