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This is a discussion on Why does everyone think ESFJs are stupid??? within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Apparently, it's a stereotype, and it makes no sense to me. I understand how different personality types have different strengths ...

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Why does everyone think ESFJs are stupid???

    Apparently, it's a stereotype, and it makes no sense to me. I understand how different personality types have different strengths and weaknesses, but how can you blame a person's level of intelligence on their personality? I think anyone could be a genius; it just depends on how hard they work and their willingness to learn. My mother, brother, and best friend are all ESFJs, and they are all very bright, intelligent people. I also know of an ESFJ who graduated valedictorian in a class of over 400.

    Yes, when they get emotional or stressed, they don't really use logic or reasoning, but that's just because they are emotional. They aren't like that on a regular basis. This whole thing just confuses me.
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    Well...like you said, it's stereotype.
    Also I think a lot very negative manifestations of people are automatically assumed to be ESFJ.
    For example, there is a person I have a huge problem with.
    She's too emotional with her logic and can't take criticism at all. (seems like an unbalanced F) (This part is probably the MAJOR stereotype. I'm sure thinkers get like this too.)
    She likes to tell people what to do and freaks out when we don't follow her plans. (unbalanced J)
    If you decide not to do her idea, she takes it very personally and has a hard time bouncing back. Not good at adapting once she expects a situation to go a certain way (FJ?)
    She needs to have attention all the time and wants everyone to talk to her (comes off E)
    Very focused on her wants HERE AND NOW. Doesn't waste time philosophizing. Seems to have a hard time imagining themselves in another perspective (Sounds S. The last line is an S stereotype. They can do that...I don't think that has anything to do with N/S.)

    Now I have NO idea if she really is an ESFJ. But think about the amount of people out there like and how much they piss off everyone else around them. If you go by my same line of reasoning, she sounds like she would be.
    A lot of different personality types caught up in their problems can probably come off this way.

    Does that make sense??? I've read the nice descriptions of ESFJ and it sounds night and day. Warm, caring, helpful, practical vs the above.

    Edit: Realized I didn't directly answer your question.
    The problem is people like that come off like toddlers. They expect everything to be their way and refuse to provide logical (at least to my satisfaction) evidence for it.
    Last edited by Schweeeeks; 04-09-2013 at 06:17 PM.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    When my (INTJ) friend introduced me to the MBTI system, he explained to me about ESFJs and how they're the dumbasses. Hopefully he's moved past this stereotype, as I have, because I know quite a few exceptionally smart ESFJs. There are ESFJs I really like, as well as ones I really don't like
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Its just a stage people pass through that hopefully ends when they meet a bunch of smart or regular ESFJs.

    As to why... shallow first impressions upon reading the type profiles, I guess.
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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    It's funny, because I often get typed as "ENFP" by others, because I couldn't possibly be the "horrible, manipulative ESFJ". lol. I also have a huge adventurous side, love to read, find debates stimulating and have straight A's in school.

    Because of this I come across as "N". I'm honestly not sure of why I'm considered a P as well, but it could possibly be because ENFP's are typed as adventurous, extraverted nerds.

    While I am borderline S and J I still find it amusing every time I have to explain to someone that I'm an ESFJ... and even after years of knowing me for a minute they'll kind of wince and start backing away.... it's a stereotype that really should be readjusted. Not all of us are evil. =P

    I'm even close friends with a couple of INTJ's "gasp"... oh horror of horrors! ;)
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    The issue is they come across online as quick.

    And yeah, it's the stupid in others who reaches this conclusion that they lack stimulating mindsets. They no longer see what is Fe and Si and Ne and Ti which is reversed super genius Einstein or some shit.

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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    This is probably the most annoying ESFJ stereotype. I've seen it perpetuated the most by NT types (especially here on PerCafe, where you guys seem to be the majority) who describe us as close-minded and unable to use logical reasoning. We also tend to be portrayed as gossips, more interested in other people's lives than in higher intellectual pursuits. Like others have pointed out here, it's the people who believe this of all ESFJs who are the dumb ones. I'm an ESFJ who was valedictorian of my 400+ person high school class and have spent most of my academic career in the sciences (not where most people would think to find ESFJs). There are tons of ESFJs in medical school; the ones I know are very smart and just as capable as their other-type classmates. I worked under an ESFJ scientist for many years who was one of the smartest people I've ever known. Yeah, there are dumb ESFJs, but you're going to find some stupid in every type.

    Also, @gurlygurl , I get typed as ENFP a lot too! As much as I like ENFPs, I'm not one of them, and it's sad that some people don't realize that ESFJs are just as awesome. I'll never understand why emotional ENFPs are "cute, vivacious, and fun", while emotional ESFJs are "controlling, manipulative, and stupid".
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    ESFPs are also seen as stupid. It is a ridiculous stereotype. I don't know where the idea that ESFPs and ESFJs are stupid came from, but it truly makes no sense to say that everyone with a particular personality type is stupid, while everyone with another personality type is smart. I'd say more but I'm just shaking my head at the nonsense of it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurlygurl View Post
    It's funny, because I often get typed as "ENFP" by others, because I couldn't possibly be the "horrible, manipulative ESFJ". lol. I also have a huge adventurous side, love to read, find debates stimulating and have straight A's in school.

    Because of this I come across as "N". I'm honestly not sure of why I'm considered a P as well, but it could possibly be because ENFP's are typed as adventurous, extraverted nerds.

    While I am borderline S and J I still find it amusing every time I have to explain to someone that I'm an ESFJ... and even after years of knowing me for a minute they'll kind of wince and start backing away.... it's a stereotype that really should be readjusted. Not all of us are evil. =P

    I'm even close friends with a couple of INTJ's "gasp"... oh horror of horrors! ;)
    Since I hang out in the ESFJ forum so much, we can be friends ... well, you keep being mistaken for ENFP, because there is absolutely no way that you could be a "horrible, manipulative ESFJ".

    I still don't get this stereotype at all. I'm so confused by this board and apparently the society at large right now regarding that.

    Anyways, now I'm a adventurous, extroverted nerd. Okay, I'm a designer/programmer (serious, went for a straight programming diploma, so I guess it can apply)... and I do hiking/backcountry backpacking, swimming and running. I started in print work a few years ago and meandered through a few things since then (see programming, etc)


    I also can't decide on a career. Maybe you're luckier than I am?

    I guess because you're not a "hard" SJ they figure since you're not evil you're an ENFP... which is interesting and yet sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    Also, @gurlygurl, I get typed as ENFP a lot too! As much as I like ENFPs, I'm not one of them, and it's sad that some people don't realize that ESFJs are just as awesome. I'll never understand why emotional ENFPs are "cute, vivacious, and fun", while emotional ESFJs are "controlling, manipulative, and stupid".
    I am seen as cute, but I'm also seen as stupid, too. It's like I cannot think at all for analysis purposes or anything whatsoever. Which I hate quite a bit actually.
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