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This is a discussion on PerCafe's been bringing me down... within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Originally Posted by DiamondDays So how do you propose going about making all the users of PC entirely free of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDays View Post
    So how do you propose going about making all the users of PC entirely free of type based bias? Do you propose that all posters on PC should post entirely making use of real life based experiences? I really don't get how you propose to make a change? I am all for personal development. It is why i am here. But i am not a sucker for lost causes. It may be that i have missed some brilliant way of making people reasonable, but until i am made aware of one i will continue to believe that adapting your expectations of people in general, the big masses, to the realities at hand is better than raging at the fact that people are not being reasonable. They never will be.
    Making all the users of PC entirely free of type bias isn't the output. The output is getting people to stop doing it when you see it, and getting people who refrain from saying anything because they are afraid of being pummeled to say it anyway. Rubber hit the road no, it will never go away for good, but worrying about what other people have said in the past or may do later isn't important when it actually happens now.

    If that doesn't change stereotype, fine. If you're willing to help get people to see that they can say what they want and don't have to worry about how others stereotype their type, great. If not, then you're the issue.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    My maid of honor was an ESFJ. She's also my sister in law and I can tell u she's a great gal. In many ways. No one is perfect but sadly, there are ppl that will always focus on one's imperfections rather than qualities, no matter the MBTI. U just need to learn not to give so much attention to this things ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    When I first came onto PerCafe, I was surprised by how few ESFJs there are on this site. Now that I've been a regular user for over a year, I think I understand why. I've never seen one type get so much unwarranted hate around PerCafe (the ESTJs are a close second). The few times I stumble onto the NT forums, I always end up in an argument with some a**hole who's convinced that ESFJs are the spawn of Satan. Considering ESFJs make up a significant part of the population (particularly the female population), it just makes me shake my head that these people probably know a lot of ESFJs that they like and just don't realize are ESFJs, but they instead choose to focus on the obviously unhealthy ESFJs who are easiest to spot. Even on this forum, the threads about why everyone dislikes ESFJs and the thread about why everyone thinks ESFJs are stupid are immensely popular. I really appreciate when people come here to ask questions instead of just leaving a rant about how they hate their mother/grandmother/aunt.

    I guess the point of this rant is, I find that I'm starting to avoid PerCafe more and more, and when I do go on, I usually come away annoyed with the internet. I think I'm pretty close to giving it up entirely. Any other ESFJs feel this way?
    Pro-ESFJ here. My Mom is one (self-tested) and I don't honestly know what I'd do without her. Kind, friendly, easy to talk to, loyal, caring, would do anything she can to help you. We disagree on things from time to time (who doesn't) but on the whole she is a great person.

    That, and the other ESFJs (self-tested) I've met are great as well. Point being, as mushr00m said, there are bad apples in every type, and of course the bad apples will be really bad. It's not fair to make a blanket judgment on people like that, though - there are so many variables that can play into it, and like you say, anyone can have issues, regardless of type: being an XXXX doesn't mean you get things easier - some things will be, no doubt, but some won't, and probably those things are things which you currently take for granted... I do hope you don't leave - you're an asset to the site IMO (and I've said as much before, even unrelated to this post)
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  5. #24
    INFP - The Idealists

    I'm just posting to say that I have seen a few rant/poll threads lying around that have really dug into ESXJs in general. I'm sorry you feel PerC is getting you down - I think it's sad to see the arrogant self-superior attitudes that have been thrown around a few threads, indicating that ESFJs (also pretty much any ESXX type have got the receiving end of this) are the most inferior type, etc. It pisses me off to see that and I hope it doesn't drive you away. There's nothing wrong with you.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Op, you don't make a convincing case. Especially when you were quick to accuse me of attacking you because your personality type, when I in actuality did no such thing. Not all NT's are what you are describing. I also think you are inadvertently doing exactly what you feel wronged by towards NT's. And to be honest, I have yet to see what you're accusing NT's of doing. I don't know you OP, and you don't know me.


    My wife is an ESFJ, an if you are anything like my wife than I'm sure we would get along just fine. Based on my wife's personality, I wouldn't actively resist friendships with ESFJ's. I haven't met anyone as wonderful as my wife and I don't wish to. Of course there are minor aspects that do puzzle me and even frustrate me at times that isn't exclusive to the ESFJ personality as a whole. But the pros outweigh the cons heavily. I don't see ESFJ's as bad people. I'm just hear to let you know that not all of us NT's have something against you. Quite the opposite.
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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Op, you don't make a convincing case
    What "case"? She's an ESFJ venting in an ESFJ forum...

    It's not like she posted this in the Debate forum or General discussion.


    -ZDD
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  8. #27
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    When I first came onto PerCafe, I was surprised by how few ESFJs there are on this site. Now that I've been a regular user for over a year, I think I understand why. I've never seen one type get so much unwarranted hate around PerCafe (the ESTJs are a close second). The few times I stumble onto the NT forums, I always end up in an argument with some a**hole who's convinced that ESFJs are the spawn of Satan. Considering ESFJs make up a significant part of the population (particularly the female population), it just makes me shake my head that these people probably know a lot of ESFJs that they like and just don't realize are ESFJs, but they instead choose to focus on the obviously unhealthy ESFJs who are easiest to spot. Even on this forum, the threads about why everyone dislikes ESFJs and the thread about why everyone thinks ESFJs are stupid are immensely popular. I really appreciate when people come here to ask questions instead of just leaving a rant about how they hate their mother/grandmother/aunt.

    I guess the point of this rant is, I find that I'm starting to avoid PerCafe more and more, and when I do go on, I usually come away annoyed with the internet. I think I'm pretty close to giving it up entirely. Any other ESFJs feel this way?
    I feel exactly the same. This thing, with the time, is becoming so boring and frustrating that I'm loosing enthusiasm for this forum.
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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by purposive View Post
    Op, you don't make a convincing case. Especially when you were quick to accuse me of attacking you because your personality type, when I in actuality did no such thing.
    To be fair, you posted the question, "My wife is an ESFJ. I wonder if anger problems are common with this type?" on a thread that was bashing ESTJs and ESFJs. As a result, I misunderstood the intent of your post, and I already apologized to you via PM.

    Not all NT's are what you are describing. I also think you are inadvertently doing exactly what you feel wronged by towards NT's. And to be honest, I have yet to see what you're accusing NT's of doing. I don't know you OP, and you don't know me.
    When did I say that all NTs are responsible for this? I thought I made it clear that it's only certain people on this forum that are guilty of this behavior. I don't even remember accusing NTs at all. The NT subject only came up because the first person that responded to this thread was an ENTP who accused sensors of oppressing people like him.

    Since a lot of people like you have asked for specific cases of what I've been talking about. A quick Google search turned up these:

    Are most ESFJs annoying?
    Do ESFJs annoy you as much as they annoy me?
    I find ESFJs to be absolutely insufferable
    INTJ views on ESFJs
    Why do people dislike ESFJs? (The earlier posts are fine, but the later posts in this thread are just rants from people who dislike ESFJs)
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  10. #29
    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Oh, the N/S divide, however could I forgot the blantant ignorance of people never having moves an inch past Keirsey and the MBTI letter code.

    Some things don't change, may it be on PerC or the world.

    Be bothered by it, or accept it and move on.

    Personally, I recommend the latter.
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  11. #30
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    To be fair, you posted the question, "My wife is an ESFJ. I wonder if anger problems are common with this type?" on a thread that was bashing ESTJs and ESFJs. As a result, I misunderstood the intent of your post, and I already apologized to you via PM.



    When did I say that all NTs are responsible for this? I thought I made it clear that it's only certain people on this forum that are guilty of this behavior. I don't even remember accusing NTs at all. The NT subject only came up because the first person that responded to this thread was an ENTP who accused sensors of oppressing people like him.

    Since a lot of people like you have asked for specific cases of what I've been talking about. A quick Google search turned up these:

    Are most ESFJs annoying?
    Do ESFJs annoy you as much as they annoy me?
    I find ESFJs to be absolutely insufferable
    INTJ views on ESFJs
    Why do people dislike ESFJs? (The earlier posts are fine, but the later posts in this thread are just rants from people who dislike ESFJs)
    Maybe we perceive things differently, because that thread wasn't bashing SJ's.

    I'm just sick of stumbling onto any of the NT forums and seeing yet another thread about how ESFJs are evil/stupid/bitchy/annoying.
    Are you sure this isn't about NT's specifically? You could very well be speaking generally, but apart of me intuitively thinks this rant is motivated by NT's. I did accept your apology by the way.

    The same can easily be said about any other type... Most of those threads were created years ago. Altogether, I don't think you should let some people that don't speak for everyone, negatively impact your experience on here. There is a very simple and effective tool called the ignore button.


     
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