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This is a discussion on PerCafe's been bringing me down... within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Originally Posted by lenabelle To be fair, you posted the question, "My wife is an ESFJ. I wonder if anger ...

  1. #31
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    To be fair, you posted the question, "My wife is an ESFJ. I wonder if anger problems are common with this type?" on a thread that was bashing ESTJs and ESFJs. As a result, I misunderstood the intent of your post, and I already apologized to you via PM.



    When did I say that all NTs are responsible for this? I thought I made it clear that it's only certain people on this forum that are guilty of this behavior. I don't even remember accusing NTs at all. The NT subject only came up because the first person that responded to this thread was an ENTP who accused sensors of oppressing people like him.

    Since a lot of people like you have asked for specific cases of what I've been talking about. A quick Google search turned up these:

    Are most ESFJs annoying?
    Do ESFJs annoy you as much as they annoy me?
    I find ESFJs to be absolutely insufferable
    INTJ views on ESFJs
    Why do people dislike ESFJs? (The earlier posts are fine, but the later posts in this thread are just rants from people who dislike ESFJs)

    Everyone take a quick second to replace the ESFJ in those thread titles with your own type. Then you might be able to see where OP is coming from.
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  2. #32
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by purposive View Post
    Are you sure this isn't about NT's specifically? You could very well be speaking generally, but apart of me intuitively thinks this rant is motivated by NT's. I did accept your apology by the way.

    The same can easily be said about any other type... Most of those threads were created years ago. Altogether, I don't think you should let some people that don't speak for everyone, negatively impact your experience on here. There is a very simple and effective tool called the ignore button.
    That thread was one of the factors, yes but not the only factor, and this rant was not directed at NTs. If you look at the threads I posted, this subject comes up on a lot of different types' forums. It's not coming from any one type, and I never said that NTs are the only people responsible, so please stop accusing me of things you came up with "intuitively".

    Also, take a look at the site that was posted on the thread we're talking about and try to look at it from an ESFJ's perspective. myersbriggsblogger's Blog | Apparently they're people too.

    Here's some good excerpts:
    ESxJs can swear up and down on the accuracy of false information and have no question of its accuracy or proof. It’s part of their personality make up. Unless they want to believe that something is right, they won’t believe it. You could be have 5 pebbles in your hand, show it to an ESxJ, turn around and take one out, and unless they see you open your hand they won’t believe there’s only 4 pebbles in your hand. They’re incredibly stubborn.


    "
    In the end, they’re people too, I guess. And we have to remember that they’re still people, even if they’re really bad at it and we have to manipulate them every which way into thinking the right way and not getting super sad."

  3. #33
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by purposive View Post
    Are you sure this isn't about NT's specifically? You could very well be speaking generally, but apart of me intuitively thinks this rant is motivated by NT's. I did accept your apology by the way.

    The same can easily be said about any other type... Most of those threads were created years ago. Altogether, I don't think you should let some people that don't speak for everyone, negatively impact your experience on here. There is a very simple and effective tool called the ignore button.
    That thread was one of the factors, yes but not the only factor, and this rant was not directed at NTs. If you look at the threads I posted, this subject comes up on a lot of different types' forums. It's not coming from any one type, and I never said that NTs are the only people responsible, so please stop accusing me of things you came up with "intuitively".

    Also, take a look at the site that was posted on the thread we're talking about and try to look at it from an ESFJ's perspective. myersbriggsblogger's Blog | Apparently they're people too.

    Here's some good excerpts:
    ESxJs can swear up and down on the accuracy of false information and have no question of its accuracy or proof. It’s part of their personality make up. Unless they want to believe that something is right, they won’t believe it. You could be have 5 pebbles in your hand, show it to an ESxJ, turn around and take one out, and unless they see you open your hand they won’t believe there’s only 4 pebbles in your hand. They’re incredibly stubborn.


    In the end, they’re people too, I guess. And we have to remember that they’re still people, even if they’re really bad at it and we have to manipulate them every which way into thinking the right way and not getting super sad.
    Edit: Sorry for the double reply. Internet was being wonky.

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  5. #34
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    That thread was one of the factors, yes but not the only factor, and this rant was not directed at NTs. If you look at the threads I posted, this subject comes up on a lot of different types' forums. It's not coming from any one type, and I never said that NTs are the only people responsible, so please stop accusing me of things you came up with "intuitively".

    Also, take a look at the site that was posted on the thread we're talking about and try to look at it from an ESFJ's perspective. myersbriggsblogger's Blog | Apparently they're people too.

    Here's some good excerpts:


    I'm not accusing you of anything, just suspicious. You can either ignore it, or let other people effect you. To be frank, I don't care what other people are saying against you or your type. A lot of people say things against types. Your case isn't unique. You may need to evaluate why it gets to you so much, because it doesn't have to.

  6. #35
    INFP - The Idealists


    I personally like all the types- irl. Sometimes it is hard to understand sensors and I have easier times with intuitives. However sometimes it is hard to understand intuitives as well. But sensors are a little harder to understand and can sometimes make me feel like I am from a different planet. However, I have many friends that are sensors and we get along very well. I don't like when people use another type as a scapegoat- all types have traits that may be useful to watch out for, but every person also has so many good traits that at the end of the day it doesn't even matter. That is why people are able to make friends. I am being very general in my post, but I am talking from my experiences. Don't pay attention to what people say about your type because I am sure you are a wonderful person @lenabelle , and anything people say about your type is not necessarily felt by all those around you here on PerC.
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  7. #36
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    My parents were killed by sensors, and I have devoted my life to hunting them down, and killing them and taking back my baby brother that they abducted the night that they shoved sharpened candycanes horizontally through my parents' tracheas.
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  8. #37
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by purposive View Post
    I'm not accusing you of anything, just suspicious. You can either ignore it, or let other people effect you. To be frank, I don't care what other people are saying against you or your type. A lot of people say things against types. Your case isn't unique. You may need to evaluate why it gets to you so much, because it doesn't have to.
    I'm not trying to make you care. You addressed my OP so I responded to your post. I didn't force you to come on this thread and read it. It was a post on the ESFJ forums asking other ESFJs how they felt. If you don't want to read that, then that's fine, but I'm still allowed to voice my opinion on the matter.
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  9. #38
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by lenabelle View Post
    I'm not trying to make you care. You addressed my OP so I responded to your post. I didn't force you to come on this thread and read it. It was a post on the ESFJ forums asking other ESFJs how they felt. If you don't want to read that, then that's fine, but I'm still allowed to voice my opinion on the matter.
    LOL. This is amusing now.
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  10. #39
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberbroccoli View Post
    My parents were killed by sensors, and I have devoted my life to hunting them down, and killing them and taking back my baby brother that they abducted the night that they shoved sharpened candycanes horizontally through my parents' tracheas.
    This is why I love NTP's.

  11. #40

    Some things to keep in mind....

    First, people can become biased based on bad experiences with a single type. They think of all of the bad traits that the one XXXX had and place them on all people they cross paths with that share the same MBTI. Some people are better letting go of stereotypes and grudges than others. Let them make their judgments.

    Second, a large portion of PerC users are unhealthy. They come for advice, to learn more about themselves and the world, etc. Unhealthy people have the internet to turn to for help. Anger is a secondary emotion. It is used to cover up either fear or hurt. When somebody expresses anger, they are actually fearful or hurt. You may feel that they hate your guts and want you dead, but really, they may just be hurt inside. What they are hurt or fearful about may or may not have anything to do with ESFJs or what their post is about.

    Intuitive users are more common online than sensors, especially introverts. ESxx people are too busy in real life to spend time on forums, therefore their force isn't strong enough to defend themselves. I hear a lot of complaints about intuitives feeling out of place with the world. Many also complain about their 'SJ parents'. They claim to feel understood and accepted on PerC. Despite what goes online, IRL things are different. Don't get too caught up, these are just ideas. If you don't like something, it's best for you to stay away as somebody has already mentioned, ignore. As many xNTPs would think an SJ would be the very last option of courtship, I find that xNTPs fall in love with xSFJs. Other types get bashed too, such as ENTPs and ESTPs.
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