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This is a discussion on How do ESFJs feel about transgenders? within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Silly question. An ESFJ raised by one or more transgender parents will have no issue. An ESFJ from a highly ...

  1. #21
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Silly question. An ESFJ raised by one or more transgender parents will have no issue. An ESFJ from a highly religious background may have significant issue. One can assume that an ESFJ's opinion on this issue is based on two factors.

    A. Can the ESFJ sympathize or empathize with an individual who is transgender, or do they have a transgender individual in their life with whom they have an emotional connection. (Fe)

    B. The other, and perhaps most important in answer to this question, is the way that the ESFJ was raised. What did their parents or environment teach them about transgender individuals? Were they taught that it was normal? Immoral? (Fe-Si)

    Thusly ESFJs in general cannot be assessed for an opinion on any similar issue based on type, but only by individual on a case by case basis. I'm sure someone's already said this, but I'm on my phone, so I haven't bothered reading through the entire thread.
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  2. #22
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pockyist View Post
    In my opinion, environmental and cultural factors play a much bigger role in determining one's stance on this topic than one's personality traits.

    As for whether children should be educated about transgenderism, I'm not sure I would support it for being taught in the public school system because there's not enough time to go through the current curriculum as it is. Learning can happen outside of the classroom, and I think that's the best way to really learn about controversial topics in general. I took a course that discussed LGBT and sexuality in college, and the discussions we had there were much more enlightening than any similar course that would be offered to children in middle or high schools.
    Much insight here, thank you. I don't like to be deterministic, so i did not think being ESFJ would make everyone share the same opinion, I'm just trying to understand how you arrive at your opinions and on what basis. I'm trying to breathe some realism into my characters because I'm very concerned about telling this story. No straw men to be knocked over, just people.

    However, there are young transgenders who are being allowed to "be themselves" from an early age. We teach kids not to discriminate or bully people for various reasons, do we need to explain transgenderism to kids or let the golden rule prevail? It's not that I think we should treat transgender kids like they're made of glass, because everyone gets bullied, but I worry about the degree and pervasiveness of bullying "the unknown".

    Should this be handled at home? You can't really tell parents how to raise their children (we can't even get some of them to make sure their kids can read). And what makes transgenders a controversial topic in your opinion. What is the essence of the controversy? Are parents worried tolerance of transgenders will make kids confused about their gender identity and sexuality?

    I don't know really how LGBT topics are brought up in primary school, or how much of its increased profile among younger people is simply from a home environment, friends, social organizations, and media.

  3. #23
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberbroccoli View Post
    Silly question. An ESFJ raised by one or more transgender parents will have no issue. An ESFJ from a highly religious background may have significant issue. One can assume that an ESFJ's opinion on this issue is based on two factors.

    A. Can the ESFJ sympathize or empathize with an individual who is transgender, or do they have a transgender individual in their life with whom they have an emotional connection. (Fe)

    B. The other, and perhaps most important in answer to this question, is the way that the ESFJ was raised. What did their parents or environment teach them about transgender individuals? Were they taught that it was normal? Immoral? (Fe-Si)

    Thusly an ESFJ in general cannot be assessed for an opinion on any similar issue based on type, but only by individual on a case by case basis.
    This is why I'm speaking to individuals. I am just gathering opinions of a type I plan on modeling my character after. I expect a diversity of opinions. Stop trying to tell me what my expectations are, thank you.

    So rather than presumptuously being the gatekeeper, maybe you will let me talk to them instead of through you, o lord of reasonable discourse.

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  5. #24
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    I feel the way I feel because I DONT believe people are born gay. The main issue Im addressing is that American laziness where people wont point out what the real problem is. Among all the issues, why should there even be a group about sexuality coming up to the politics stand when there's a country to run, it makes no sense to me. I think what I think, WHY i think what I think is not the discussion. I think if a person really thinks about it, I do make sense its just that people like to keep clouded minds but thats the exact thing I hate and I see right through it. Abortion is DISGUSTING and it should not be mandated that is equally DISGUSTING. Gay people can be gay, no one is stopping them but I feel like the average person will think that just because they get mocked (just like everybody else) that they deserve some special place...NO.

    America needs to get its priorities straight and Im tired of its foolishness AND I speak on it. Thats too bad.

    To add further clarity (for those seeking truth in the first place)

    I am Christian.
    Abortion is the one thing that has done this nation in, mark my words.
    It is the ominous cloud that hangs over this nation.
    The minute a country inverts on itself like this one has, its over, because it no longer protects its own lives. My faith causes me to be very fiery about this issue. I understand people dont get it but its the truth. Theres nothing else to add because Im being very clear.

    Also I dont come here to rant or be ambiguous I take everything pretty seriously WHILE i am enjoying myself, I am also serious. The OP wanted a view from an esfj, I know I dont have conventional views and I figured I would pitch in.

    I will not respond directly to anything remotely snarky or backbiting Im not here for childsplay. If you want to learn I gave you my view to take at face value. Thank you.

    To sum up my answer- I think lgbt is a waste from a POLITICAL standpoint. I do not think issues of sexuality should be in politics nor should anything to do with peoples morals be in the governments agenda. People need clean water housing help with jobs IMAGINE if people got their silly little problems out of politics things could be run much more effeciently but lets be honest America has been digging a deeper and deeper hole for itself for quite some time and now you have things happening like Trayvon Martin why? Because it has taken entirely too long for someone to stand up for whats right. We dont need cynicism, money for abortions, more gay rights we just need people to simply do the RIGHT thing.

    Issues like lgbt, abortion and all that bring problems up to the forefront that are not the governments issue and now people cant even see that killing babies like chickens is NOT NORMAL???? Its the worst thing Ive ever seen.

  6. #25
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by brittauzenne View Post
    I think what I think, WHY i think what I think is not the discussion.
    Well, I would like the "why" to be part of the discussion, and I think you gave some reasons for why you think what you think, and for that I thank you.

  7. #26

    Quote Originally Posted by brittauzenne View Post
    I think what I think, WHY i think what I think is not the discussion.
    I think it might be relevant, actually.

    Explaining your reasoning might make people more open-minded to your opinion even. Depending on how sound they find it.

    Eep, my answer was a little slow. =P

  8. #27
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Quote Originally Posted by insultfashioner View Post
    Well, I would like the "why" to be part of the discussion, and I think you gave some reasons for why you think what you think, and for that I thank you.
    i have added to my originial response with a full picture.
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  9. #28
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I also don't mean to paint transgenders as victims, though their non-acceptance is common and can freely be addressed. They are people too, so I don't mean to fixate on or construct some social disadvantage. What questions do you have about transgenders, or what wisdom can you share? How are they different from cisgenders, and how are they alike?

    (cisgender = people who feel comfortable with sex matching gender identity, masculine/feminine binary)

  10. #29
    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Im very disgruntled with this generation in general. Growing up I had alot more faith in America than I do now. I would have never predicted it would stoop to the level it has. No problem @insultfashioner .

    Also , what is your viewpoint and what exactly might you be using the responses for (details of the project) @insultfashioner

  11. #30
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Well, my viewpoint is that I think they should pursue what makes them happy. I wanted to explore it as a psychological/social issue, not a political one. Since I am not transgender, my instinct is to listen to people who are to understand it. I have actually been talking to a friend who recently revealed he feels he is a girl to gain personal insight.

    My screenplay involves a mother, who is from a traditional background, very compassionate with a strong motherly instinct, and a driven protector, who must wrestle with the best course of action when her son befriends a young boy who begins to self-identify as a girl (probably 11 or 12 years old). So I want to explore the friction between her values and her son's, but also how some of the same values, beliefs have ironically set them on either side of what to think of his friend.

    Her character is crucial, because the father is somewhat hands-off, non-communicative. He has no strong opinion on the matter, and dislikes even exploring it. She is the one more involved in her son's life and who shapes his morals, ethics.

    I'm imagining some of the mom's support system (her parents, perhaps her church, family, friends) will not be in favor of, or will question her son's relationship. They will pressure her to keep the boy and girl separate, and amplify her concern/confusion. However, there will be characters close to her on both side.

    I want to ask some deep life questions, but I'm still searching for what exactly. Like I said, no straw men. Even if the audience disagrees with a character, I want them to have meat to their ideas and concerns.
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