[ESFJ] How do ESFJs feel about transgenders?

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This is a discussion on How do ESFJs feel about transgenders? within the ESFJ Forum - The Caregivers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; I was curious what you think of transgendered people as a type which purportedly values tradition. I may be modeling ...

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    How do ESFJs feel about transgenders?

    I was curious what you think of transgendered people as a type which purportedly values tradition. I may be modeling a character off of ESFJs for a creative writing project.
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    If changing their sex is a real solution to a problem they have, then I think it is a good thing. Dating a transgender person is something that I would feel negatively about and wouldn't do, talking to or being friends with transgender people would be possible. But how different ESFJs feel about this will depend on the culture that they are a part of. Overall, I don't know much about it or understand it.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    People who change their sex are transsexual, transgender is a broader term for people whose gender identity does not fit in the hetero normative gender binary (masculine vs feminine opposites).

    However, often transgenders experience gender dysphoria which leads them to change their sex. However, gender =/= sex, and genitals =/= gender, according to some, and that's definitely an increasingly popular academic perspective.
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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    Whatever someone wants to do that makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, is fine by me. It's your body, do whatever you want with it. It's really none of my business.



    -ZDD
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    So, would you support a friend or family member who was transgender? Do you think children should be educated about transgenders or gender dysphoria? Maybe they have a chromosomal female in their class who self-identified as a boy.

    Again, transgender does not necessarily mean they are doing anything with their body (i.e. sexual reassignment surgery, other reconstructive surgeries). They may simply not identify with a strictly masculine or feminine gender identity (though often it seems they identify with the opposite female/masculine identity to the heteronormative expectations of their sex).

    I don't mean to be nit-picky (I am an INTP though). Thank you for contributing.

    I'll contribute some. To me, it's an extension of the process of taking gender out of behaviors, preferences, activities. Women work outside of the home, men babysit, girls take karate lessons, boys garden flowers etc. We have gendered ideas about those activities/preferences, but those are socially constructed.
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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    So, would you support a friend or family member who was transgender?
    What kind of support?



    -ZDD

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I don't know, what distinction are you thinking? Where would you draw the line?

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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    what distinction are you thinking?
    I don't know. I've never been big into the idea of men or women only professions* or hobbies/games, etc... That's why I was asking.


    -ZDD


    ( *with the exception of Women mixed with Men in military front-line infantry positions, and then only because of the logistics problems it brings up)

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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    This is a touchy topic. Im a more traditional person. I also dont understand the whole lgbt thing. It seems like a world all its own...I personally would not condone changing genders when the world is oozing with much worse issues. In fact, being concerned with a sex change when millions of babies are being killed under so called freedom of "choice" shows the flaw in our american 1st world problems. Its extremely disturbing if looked at in that way imo. Im not really on the lgbt side of the fence at all. And Im not sure if lgbt are really that happy as someone mentioned happiness. Its a new way of doing things but I say nothing was broken so what is all this lgbt stuff about. I see it as unnecessary alot of the time.

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    ESFJ - The Caregivers

    I think this is largely a cultural and regional thing. I grew up in liberal New England with friends who are all very open-minded about LGBT issues. I'm fully supportive of people who are transgender. I can only imagine how awful it must feel to not feel comfortable with the gender you were born with or to feel like people are forcing you to be something you're not. One of my friends from high school (who I've lost contact with) recently underwent a sex change and I'm happy for her/him. If this is something she was struggling with in high school, then I'm sorry she never felt comfortable pursuing that until now. Also, my friend's girlfriend is considering a sex change and my whole friend group is very supportive.

    As for whether I would personally date a transgender, I would be open to it, but it would depend on my attraction to the individual person, and I would have to have met them post-op, since I'm pretty straight myself and am just not attracted sexually to the same sex. I would absolutely be friends with someone who is transgender. As far as I'm concerned, they are just like everyone else.

    My parents on the other hand (INTJ and ESFJ) both abhor transgender people and issues. They came from a country where LGBT issues are not as out in the open as they are in the US and they're older and more conservative in general. They can interact with LGBT people just fine on an individual basis, but they are very much prejudiced against the group and what it stands for.


     
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