How does Se-Te loop manifest to you ESFPs
it sounds devastating
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How does Se-Te loop manifest to you ESFPs
it sounds devastating
Think they go Se-Fi-Te
He's referring to the Se - Te loop that immature ESFPs go through when they have undeveloped Fi according to some theories out there about type.
IMO it manifests as a very aggressive and authoritarian like behavior without regards to whats right or wrong.
Think of the school yard bully.
When I was a kid I was quite pushy and aggressive and tried to control my siblings or if they didn't submit I would get angry and could hurt them.
Tertiary Te (ESFP / ENFP)
healthy Te:*responsible, goal-oriented, focused, organized, efficient; excels at creative problem solving and looks for the best way to achieve good outcomes; values independence, motivation, merit, ambition, persistence, drive, and hard work; seeks to utilize skills and abilities to their full extent, often to help lift up others; sets good goals for healthy self-improvement
resisting Te development:*difficulty making firm decisions/plans; excessive need for freedom and resists rules/restrictions; self-absorbed and seeks instant gratification; tendency towards escapism, avoids taking responsibility for oneself, often repeating mistakes; tends to be overdependent on others to solve problems or clean up messes; cannot handle criticism well or face up to personal flaws and shortcomings
defensive loop tendencies:*very stubborn and resistant to outside advice/influence; buries negative feelings under cold “rational” competent action; represses or brushes aside internal warnings of danger or dissatisfaction; projects own inadequacies when unhapppy, unfairly judging others as unsupportive, weak, incompetent, oversensitive, or inferior; often unforgiving, displays poor understanding of other people’s suffering or difficulties; lacks moral consistency and sacrifices personal integrity for immediate superficial gains; takes the easier path instead of the right path; when feeling threatened becomes argumentative, domineering, arrogant, caustic, jealous, envious, or territorial; demands agreement or ignores/steamrolls those who disagree; acts hastily or aggressively with the unconscious intent to repress feelings of unhappiness or low self-esteem*
Se-Te loop dynamics:*very impatient to maintain continuous positive environmental feedback, often through chasing some form of worldly recognition or success -> but fails to understand what one really needs from life or contributes to the world, resulting in self-doubt that stokes inferior Ni insecurities about being shallow, boring, inauthentic, purposeless, or insignificant ->*
Ne-Te loop dynamics:*very impatient to use any means available to feel good about oneself, often through pursuing ideas that one perceives will lead to immediate feelings of “success” or “progress” -> but fails to understand the true nature of one’s developmental needs and the proper methods of meeting them, resulting in self-doubt that stokes inferior Si insecurities about being shallow, conventional, inauthentic, or stuck in an endless rut -
It's those ESFP who take the MBTI test and think they're ENTJ's. They get really energized about how intelligent, competent, and knowledgeable they are, and how successful their ideas are going to be. They vigorously outline details about the plan they have to make money, start a business, and so on, thinking that their goals are bound to happen and be 100% a slam dunk and basically want everyone to know that.
The Se/Te tranced ESFP's basically have confidence they can do whatever they want because they believe in their knowledge. Because they have the Te, they are receptive to facts and figures that support what they believe they can do. Because they aren't that great at Te and really bad at Ti, they see only the positive facts and figures that support their self belief and figure the rest will sort itself out, or they will make the rules up as they go. Because they are bad at Ni, they fail to recognize in advance the negative scenarios that threaten to counterbalance the positive ones they put all of their ego into thinking about.
Also, it takes a hefty argument, stubbornness, a bit of meanness, and a lot of persistence to snap an ESFP out of an Se/Te lock. The same is true of ENTJ's in a Te/Se lock (though they more need someone who cares enough about them to warn them that their actions will hurt someone).
Worth noting, a couple other related things: 1.) a lot of Se/Te-ish ESFP are NOT recognized as ESFP, and 2.) There are Se/Te-centric ESFP who aren't unhealthy. They're just more naturally ambitious and informational; whereas the Fi/Ni ones are more artistic and interested in their relationships with others.
They are people dominating with their Se and Te despite the sterotype of ESFP being fluffy and nice.
Yeah I think "Figure" basically got it right but probably in too many words.
If there's an Se-Te loop for ESFPs then it is this: an unsustainable lifestyle where there is too much planning and doing not enough thinking or reflecting. I went through it around 22 years old when I realized I could organize my future and improve myself... which was a good thing but led to a manic state where I was doing too many things at once which were all bound to fail. It would also mean suppressing Fi which is also very bad for ESFPs, causes them to hurt others and themselves basically.
If you want a good explatation about the loop, you can listen to this podcast. The ESFP (&ENFP) loop are the first Loop in this podcast. They think the Loop can manifest in 3 ways:
Long term as a life goal
ESFPs who get stuck in Se - Te loops usually end up misidentifying themselves as ENTJ. They're usually very energetic, domineering, intelligent, strong willed and at times can be bullies. Think of someone like Peter the Great. The guy had no time or patience for tradition and changed Russia through force even thought the masses were resistant to his progressive ideas. Basically they are an ISFJs worse nightmare.
Last edited by HIX; 03-08-2019 at 09:41 AM.