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This is a discussion on ESFP vs ENFP? DId i mistype?? within the ESFP Forum - The Performers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; Originally Posted by The Big S Hey, so I just figured out I am ENFP but figuring out I was ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by The Big S View Post
    Hey, so I just figured out I am ENFP but figuring out I was in the Si grip...and i think i am still heavily influenced by my Si. You are right about m response sounding like an Se dom, but when you said tangents, something comes to mind- before all my depression and stuff, I would talk, and as I talked, I would predict others questions and asnwer them and go on..well...tangents. I think its my fault I came off as a sensor because of my Si....that was reallly smart of you to catch on to my sensing-type language because you were the only one who said I sounded like an Se dom
    This point in particular sounds like Ni. I know Ni isn't a crystal ball but it does have a focus on imagining what's to come. Whilst Ne-doms are intuitive we predict a thousand scenarios and very rarely do we know what's coming instinctively, it takes us a longer time to sort through all the possible outcomes before we come to one potential. I personally cannot predict what someone is going to ask me unless I have had enough time to quickly sort through everything it could be in my head and because of that I generally only know what's to come when I can retreat and consciously consider.

    Let's talk about Ni vs Ne then. Ni is conclusive, it purposefully tries to find the answer to something and understand a concept. Ne is expansive, it is less interested in "the answer" as it is in "all of the answers" so much as it builds upon them to find connections to other possibilities.

    Ni/Se is like a detective with a pin board. Se is like the individual photos and newspaper clippings, the evidence of what "is" and what can be seen and Ni is the string that connects them all together, seeing what influenced what and why things are what they are all to get to the answer of "who did it?" so to speak, but the answer could be to any question really.

    Ne/Si is more like memories and similies. Phrases like "that reminds me of--", "what if something different happened", "but it could also be something like--" or "imagine if there was--" are more common in a Ne thought trail. Ne is possibilities and Si influences that based on personal memories (as opposed to Se's more objective perceiving). It will start off at one singular point and expand like a spider web off in different directions. It's why Ne is more impulsive than Ni because for me, trying to predict things is like opening up a hallway to parallel timelines I explore what's happening behind each door no matter how unlikely it is. Sometimes I'll be content with that and then shrug with a "whatever will be will be" and wait for the future to come to me. Ni would not be content with this and be wanting to prepare for the most likely scenario whilst Ne is entertaining itself with something else.

    I think my metaphors are getting convoluted. I hope you can follow this... Which one of those is more relatable?

    As for depression, well, I know that, I've been there. I've seen a few changes, not all at once:

    - I acted more introverted. (made me type myself as an INFP)
    - I was more impulsive in a self-destructive way. I would imagine possible "adventures" and then switch off my brain in an attempt to just live in the moment. I was attempting to act like a Se dom but because I have no grasp on Se I came across as immature, uncharacteristically stupid and regretted a lot. I could only do this for short bursts at a time and most people found me more abrasive and stubborn than I normally am. (Kind of known as a Ne-Te grip)
    - I came across as blunter, ruder, less interested in sensitivity of other's feelings and more in the facts. (this is Te, so I would imagine an ESFP could relate too)
    - I would retreat and become strangely nostalgic about things. I found myself trying to relive past scenarios in my head and then try and work out all the other possible ways that I could have "fixed" them. It took me a long time to realise that trying to reimagine what you could have done different in the past could only get you so far. Sometimes I would spend weeks longing to live in that past and explore a different path and where that would have brought me to today. (I believe this was the closest I understand to a "Si-grip")
    - I would get anxious about anything that wasn't a familiar comfort. Happy memories influenced what I lived off of and I was too scared to step back out into the unfamiliar. (obviously this wasn't who I was at all. This is anxiety, every type can get anxiety but to me it was also Fi-Si loop)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big S View Post
    @Jawz

    Here is my given day when life was most fun- in 7th grade.

    I woke up, and while I brushed and got ready I was excited to go to school because I love being around people and having fun.
    In school, I love drama and love making random skits and showing off. I love being stupid/funny and love showing off to others. I came off as hyper/random and funny. I loved silently seeing my crush, and just being around her.

    I came back home and played Call of Duty for an hour with friends, and always wanted to be better for the purpose of being high in the heirarchy in my friends and because I loved the game.
    Then, because it was a friday, I played badminton because I could meet friends and show off, as well as play the sport I love. I wanted to be a pro, and training made me have a sense of higher purpose.
    Then, I either came home and watched a movie, or had a sleep over with family friends where we either played more COD, watched a movie, and just talked.

    I do not know if this helps, but I have no clue whether I am Ne or Se from this. I always like the idea that I have a fun activity wating for me after the next one is finished
    This seems fairly stereotypical SP stuff at this point, but introverted SJ's also report enjoying these activities ... including day-dreaming, being creative etc. But, you are clearly not an introvert based on everything else you've written about yourself. Also, not a J and much more of a P.

    What are your thoughts on spirituality? God? Religion? What to you is the meaning of life? What is your purpose on earth?

    (I have a type-related reason for asking that I will elaborate on when I have your answer)

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Falling Foxes View Post
    This point in particular sounds like Ni. I know Ni isn't a crystal ball but it does have a focus on imagining what's to come. Whilst Ne-doms are intuitive we predict a thousand scenarios and very rarely do we know what's coming instinctively, it takes us a longer time to sort through all the possible outcomes before we come to one potential. I personally cannot predict what someone is going to ask me unless I have had enough time to quickly sort through everything it could be in my head and because of that I generally only know what's to come when I can retreat and consciously consider.

    Let's talk about Ni vs Ne then. Ni is conclusive, it purposefully tries to find the answer to something and understand a concept. Ne is expansive, it is less interested in "the answer" as it is in "all of the answers" so much as it builds upon them to find connections to other possibilities.

    Ni/Se is like a detective with a pin board. Se is like the individual photos and newspaper clippings, the evidence of what "is" and what can be seen and Ni is the string that connects them all together, seeing what influenced what and why things are what they are all to get to the answer of "who did it?" so to speak, but the answer could be to any question really.

    Ne/Si is more like memories and similies. Phrases like "that reminds me of--", "what if something different happened", "but it could also be something like--" or "imagine if there was--" are more common in a Ne thought trail. Ne is possibilities and Si influences that based on personal memories (as opposed to Se's more objective perceiving). It will start off at one singular point and expand like a spider web off in different directions. It's why Ne is more impulsive than Ni because for me, trying to predict things is like opening up a hallway to parallel timelines I explore what's happening behind each door no matter how unlikely it is. Sometimes I'll be content with that and then shrug with a "whatever will be will be" and wait for the future to come to me. Ni would not be content with this and be wanting to prepare for the most likely scenario whilst Ne is entertaining itself with something else.

    I think my metaphors are getting convoluted. I hope you can follow this... Which one of those is more relatable?

    As for depression, well, I know that, I've been there. I've seen a few changes, not all at once:

    - I acted more introverted. (made me type myself as an INFP)
    - I was more impulsive in a self-destructive way. I would imagine possible "adventures" and then switch off my brain in an attempt to just live in the moment. I was attempting to act like a Se dom but because I have no grasp on Se I came across as immature, uncharacteristically stupid and regretted a lot. I could only do this for short bursts at a time and most people found me more abrasive and stubborn than I normally am. (Kind of known as a Ne-Te grip)
    - I came across as blunter, ruder, less interested in sensitivity of other's feelings and more in the facts. (this is Te, so I would imagine an ESFP could relate too)
    - I would retreat and become strangely nostalgic about things. I found myself trying to relive past scenarios in my head and then try and work out all the other possible ways that I could have "fixed" them. It took me a long time to realise that trying to reimagine what you could have done different in the past could only get you so far. Sometimes I would spend weeks longing to live in that past and explore a different path and where that would have brought me to today. (I believe this was the closest I understand to a "Si-grip")
    - I would get anxious about anything that wasn't a familiar comfort. Happy memories influenced what I lived off of and I was too scared to step back out into the unfamiliar. (obviously this wasn't who I was at all. This is anxiety, every type can get anxiety but to me it was also Fi-Si loop)
    Ok so one main thing that strikes me is, yes everything I said sounds like a sensor and yes I am probably a sensor, but my grip was triggered by moving. I was constantly stuck in the past, and nothing could match up to the past. i was heavily nostolgic. I think I was also in an Fi-Si loop.....like does this indicate inferior Si, or is it just what happens after a move for some people. For a few months, I would just imagine the past after school and get depressed about how my new area sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    This seems fairly stereotypical SP stuff at this point, but introverted SJ's also report enjoying this activities ... including day-dreaming, being creative etc. But, you are clearly not an introvert based on everything else you've written about yourself. Also, not a J and much more of a P.

    What are your thoughts on spirituality? God? Religion? (I have a type-related reason for asking)
    I am lowkey quite spiritual. At a young age, I discovered the concept of karma by myself. When I did not do homework and played sports, I played bad. When I did do homework, I played well. It was a wierd consistent pattern. So I followed a sytem of Karma even now, seeing life as a give and take. I work, get "plus points", and play "use up my plus points". I also like to beleive that god exists, although facts tell me they dont, I still like to talk to "god" at times when I am low and I just feel like I have company. I like Buddhism and other religions, I find spirituality interesting, fully knowing magic and stuff does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big S View Post
    I am lowkey quite spiritual. At a young age, I discovered the concept of karma by myself. When I did not do homework and played sports, I played bad. When I did do homework, I played well. It was a wierd consistent pattern. So I followed a sytem of Karma even now, seeing life as a give and take. I work, get "plus points", and play "use up my plus points". I also like to beleive that god exists, although facts tell me they dont, I still like to talk to "god" at times when I am low and I just feel like I have company. I like Buddhism and other religions, I find spirituality interesting, fully knowing magic and stuff does not exist.
    Your answer is as expected from an ESXP at least based on my conversations with other ESXP's.

    I've found us to always have this pull towards spirituality, paranormal, higher purpose kind of thinking. I have it from time to time. Like @Falling Foxes wrote so eloquently above Ni wants neat little explanations (it doesn't have to be just one, but one is preferred) for things - and that includes paranormal stuff. I definitely love to connect the dots in my head and think about how different things can come together in one giant whole - even if I tend not to attribute too much of my energy towards it or making it my world view.

    I do not consider myself spiritual, but a part of me wishes I was because people who tend to be spiritual can be very much at peace with themselves and the world and their existence.

    Something about Ni that lends itself to it. Other ESFP's in my life have always tended to say almost exactly what you just did ... "you find it interesting while fully knowing magic and stuff does not exist" and

    While conventional wisdom (or stereotype whatever) will assert that ESTP's are not at all likely to be very spiritual (being a thinking type) even with us there is always something about that unconscious pull towards the paranormal because it provides an explanation for the unknown instead of leaving it open to possibilities.
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  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    Your answer is as expected from an ESXP at least based on my conversations with other ESXP's.

    I've found us to always have this pull towards spirituality, paranormal, higher purpose kind of thinking. I have it from time to time. Like @Falling Foxes wrote so eloquently above Ni wants neat little explanations (it doesn't have to be just one, but one is preferred) for things - and that includes paranormal stuff. I definitely love to connect the dots in my head and think about how different things can come together in one giant whole - even if I tend not to attribute too much of my energy towards it or making it my world view.

    I do not consider myself spiritual, but a part of me wishes I was because people who tend to be spiritual can be very much at peace with themselves and the world and their existence.

    Something about Ni that lends itself to it. Other ESFP's in my life have always tended to say almost exactly what you just did ... "you find it interesting while fully knowing magic and stuff does not exist" and

    While conventional wisdom (or stereotype whatever) will assert that ESTP's are not at all likely to be very spiritual (being a thinking type) even with us there is always something about that unconscious pull towards the paranormal because it provides an explanation for the unknown instead of leaving it open to possibilities.
    Soo...I am an Se dom with inferior Ni.....Ok, I have all the proof and all the evidence right in front of me, yet I keep questioning myself. This must be an intuitive lower thing. Ok last self doubt XD- do ESFP's in your opinions like while watching shows, keep thinking of what is going to happen and look for clues and make...intuitive guesses...I know this could be a thing everyone does...but it doesnt seeem like what an Se dom would do...Sorry if this is a dumb question

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    @Falling Foxes @Jawz
    just one more thing.....it was said in the description of Inferior Si that it was characteristic to become obsessed with a fact or two, and get into list making for future plans. I did all of these- I became obsessed with learning ways to decrease my cortisol and increase testosterone, and spent about 5 hours a day reading articles and observing my body, and would make endless lists of diets, workout plans, hobbies, and all that, to raise my testosterone levels (which sounds dumb XD)...is that characteristic of an Ni Grip? I also had various obsessions like it was to the point i was disgusted to be near another human because all i could think of were germs....Those were some main things that characterized that "grip experience. Is that also inferior Ni...Like I see all the things pointing to ESFP...but i keep second guessing myself. I love visual thinking, and during conversation, if someone is talking, I will imagine what they are saying etc..I have always been known for my creativity. This lead me to bias myself as an enfp for so long..its just weird to think I may be ESFP. Like ok a moment ago i was really sleepy, and thought of a friend who never sleeps. I visualized him staying up late, but still having energy, and me just feeling dead, and him partying..all in 4 seconds at this happens to me a lot...I do not think I have a strong grasp of functions, so small things like that lead me to doubt my type sorrry if this might be frusterating, but thanks a alot for the help.. @The Big S
    Last edited by The Big S; 11-18-2018 at 09:27 PM.

  9. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big S View Post
    Soo...I am an Se dom with inferior Ni.....Ok, I have all the proof and all the evidence right in front of me, yet I keep questioning myself. This must be an intuitive lower thing. Ok last self doubt XD- do ESFP's in your opinions like while watching shows, keep thinking of what is going to happen and look for clues and make...intuitive guesses...I know this could be a thing everyone does...but it doesnt seeem like what an Se dom would do...Sorry if this is a dumb question
    I do it all the time. Se/Ni ... Ni inferior doesn't make someone incapable of prediction and Ne and Ni doesn't mean someone is better at making predictions.

    It just means that ESP's tend to second guess and doubt it more (active suppression) and INJ's tend to rely on it more while suppressing Se.

    Ni/Ne people pretty much always will tell you that their hunch is right ... but their actual accuracy of prediction is not determined by the order of intuitive function (whether dominant or inferior).

    I think @Eu_citizen (INTJ) might be able to explain this better to you if he's so willing. It's always better to see the differences in our inferior and dominant functions in our opposite types.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Big S View Post
    @Falling Foxes @Jawz
    just one more thing.....it was said in the description of Inferior Si that it was characteristic to become obsessed with a fact or two, and get into list making for future plans. I did all of these- I became obsessed with learning ways to decrease my cortisol and increase testosterone, and spent about 5 hours a day reading articles and observing my body, and would make endless lists of diets, workout plans, hobbies, and all that, to raise my testosterone levels (which sounds dumb XD)...is that characteristic of an Ni Grip? I also had various obsessions like it was to the point i was disgusted to be near another human because all i could think of were germs....Those were some main things that characterized that "grip experience. Is that also inferior Ni...Like I see all the things pointing to ESFP...but i keep second guessing myself. I love visual thinking, and during conversation, if someone is talking, I will imagine what they are saying etc..I have always been known for my creativity. This lead me to bias myself as an enfp for so long..its just weird to think I may be ESFP. sorrry if this might be frusterating, but thanks a alot for the help
    This could be Se-Te looping. I recently came across it and it sounds very similar to what's described in this post: https://www.personalitycafe.com/esfp...e-te-loop.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Figure View Post
    It's those ESFP who take the MBTI test and think they're ENTJ's. They get really energized about how intelligent, competent, and knowledgeable they are, and how successful their ideas are going to be. They vigorously outline details about the plan they have to make money, start a business, and so on, thinking that their goals are bound to happen and be 100% a slam dunk and basically want everyone to know that.

    The Se/Te tranced ESFP's basically have confidence they can do whatever they want because they believe in their knowledge. Because they have the Te, they are receptive to facts and figures that support what they believe they can do. Because they aren't that great at Te and really bad at Ti, they see only the positive facts and figures that support their self belief and figure the rest will sort itself out, or they will make the rules up as they go. Because they are bad at Ni, they fail to recognize in advance the negative scenarios that threaten to counterbalance the positive ones they put all of their ego into thinking about.

    Also, it takes a hefty argument, stubbornness, a bit of meanness, and a lot of persistence to snap an ESFP out of an Se/Te lock. The same is true of ENTJ's in a Te/Se lock (though they more need someone who cares enough about them to warn them that their actions will hurt someone).

    Worth noting, a couple other related things: 1.) a lot of Se/Te-ish ESFP are NOT recognized as ESFP, and 2.) There are Se/Te-centric ESFP who aren't unhealthy. They're just more naturally ambitious and informational; whereas the Fi/Ni ones are more artistic and interested in their relationships with others.
    I can definitely see why you would relate your obsessive information-seeking about your body with inferior Si (because that's the part you are currently focused on), but it's not just that is it?

    It's more you creating a plan to overcome your current obstacle (whatever it may be) in life.

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Falling Foxes View Post
    This point in particular sounds like Ni. I know Ni isn't a crystal ball but it does have a focus on imagining what's to come. Whilst Ne-doms are intuitive we predict a thousand scenarios and very rarely do we know what's coming instinctively, it takes us a longer time to sort through all the possible outcomes before we come to one potential. I personally cannot predict what someone is going to ask me unless I have had enough time to quickly sort through everything it could be in my head and because of that I generally only know what's to come when I can retreat and consciously consider.

    Let's talk about Ni vs Ne then. Ni is conclusive, it purposefully tries to find the answer to something and understand a concept. Ne is expansive, it is less interested in "the answer" as it is in "all of the answers" so much as it builds upon them to find connections to other possibilities.

    Ni/Se is like a detective with a pin board. Se is like the individual photos and newspaper clippings, the evidence of what "is" and what can be seen and Ni is the string that connects them all together, seeing what influenced what and why things are what they are all to get to the answer of "who did it?" so to speak, but the answer could be to any question really.

    Ne/Si is more like memories and similies. Phrases like "that reminds me of--", "what if something different happened", "but it could also be something like--" or "imagine if there was--" are more common in a Ne thought trail. Ne is possibilities and Si influences that based on personal memories (as opposed to Se's more objective perceiving). It will start off at one singular point and expand like a spider web off in different directions. It's why Ne is more impulsive than Ni because for me, trying to predict things is like opening up a hallway to parallel timelines I explore what's happening behind each door no matter how unlikely it is. Sometimes I'll be content with that and then shrug with a "whatever will be will be" and wait for the future to come to me. Ni would not be content with this and be wanting to prepare for the most likely scenario whilst Ne is entertaining itself with something else.

    I think my metaphors are getting convoluted. I hope you can follow this... Which one of those is more relatable?

    As for depression, well, I know that, I've been there. I've seen a few changes, not all at once:

    - I acted more introverted. (made me type myself as an INFP)
    - I was more impulsive in a self-destructive way. I would imagine possible "adventures" and then switch off my brain in an attempt to just live in the moment. I was attempting to act like a Se dom but because I have no grasp on Se I came across as immature, uncharacteristically stupid and regretted a lot. I could only do this for short bursts at a time and most people found me more abrasive and stubborn than I normally am. (Kind of known as a Ne-Te grip)
    - I came across as blunter, ruder, less interested in sensitivity of other's feelings and more in the facts. (this is Te, so I would imagine an ESFP could relate too)
    - I would retreat and become strangely nostalgic about things. I found myself trying to relive past scenarios in my head and then try and work out all the other possible ways that I could have "fixed" them. It took me a long time to realise that trying to reimagine what you could have done different in the past could only get you so far. Sometimes I would spend weeks longing to live in that past and explore a different path and where that would have brought me to today. (I believe this was the closest I understand to a "Si-grip")
    - I would get anxious about anything that wasn't a familiar comfort. Happy memories influenced what I lived off of and I was too scared to step back out into the unfamiliar. (obviously this wasn't who I was at all. This is anxiety, every type can get anxiety but to me it was also Fi-Si loop)
    hey i just did this reply to tag you incase the other tags didnt work, I replied recently with a lot of info above it would help a lot of you could take a peek

  11. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    I do it all the time. Se/Ni ... Ni inferior doesn't make someone incapable of prediction and Ne and Ni doesn't mean someone is better at making predictions.

    It just means that ESP's tend to second guess and doubt it more (active suppression) and INJ's tend to rely on it more while suppressing Se.

    Ni/Ne people pretty much always will tell you that their hunch is right ... but their actual accuracy of prediction is not determined by the order of intuitive function (whether dominant or inferior).

    I think @Eu_citizen (INTJ) might be able to explain this better to you if he's so willing. It's always better to see the differences in our inferior and dominant functions in our opposite types.



    This could be Se-Te looping. I recently came across it and it sounds very similar to what's described in this post:
    ok..thanks..a lot...still confused but you have no clue how much I appreciate you, honestly I love you XD...ESFP it is
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