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This is a discussion on The Differences Between ESFPs and ISFPs within the ESFP Forum - The Performers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; From what I have read from various places around the internet, it is very hard to realistically compare these two ...

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    ISFP - The Artists

    From what I have read from various places around the internet, it is very hard to realistically compare these two types because they are so similar. There is a ton of overlap, because, well, there is a ton of overlap. You would most likely know an ISFP from an ESFP when you meet them, but the differences in extroversion and introversion can be so subtle that they can only be recognized person, not described very well. I do all of the things the average ESFP description says, and I take a day or two by myself to reflect, use my experiences to generate ideas, and or get some work done. Like someone else said, taking a weekend to do housework sounds like soul sucking torture. I would much rather be out adventuring or watching the sunlight hit the windowpane with a sketchbook in my hand. I spend a lot of time listening to and making music, and seeking out new sensory experiences. I thrive on those experiences. I lust after them. Anyone who knows me would not describe me as mousy or timid. I get adventurous, fun, energetic, unpredictable, alternating quickly and unexpectedly between quiet listening and watching to jumping into activities with full force of enthusiasm and creativity. I can have fun where ever I am. Because of this, and because I am very understanding and accepting of people as they are, I have a lot of friends. There are always people around me in my school or work place, but I only share my inner self with a select few. Though I am sure I am an ISFP, I feel the introverted description of this type is waaaayy off. No ISFP I've ever met is actually like that. They are creative, dynamic, and enthusiastic about life.
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    ISFP - The Artists

    I've thought of myself as an ISFP for a while, and this may be a totally personal thing, but are Fi-Se types more likely to go through an existential crisis if they are objectively rejected for a personal goal or project that they are rejected from and not able to pursue, or not working on something that interests them, subconsciously have trouble moving on, and thus, stop trying or caring, and shut everyone out by avoiding them through an overindulgence in escapism all alone? Do Fi doms have a tendency to shut out all new possibilities and go into a numb state of meaningless depression when they get objectively rejected or turned down, and thus no longer have a personal hobby, project or goal that they are actively being recognized and/or appreciated for and/or fighting for? I don't actively mull over past experiences, but I always have trouble letting go of rejection, and if I'm not being appreciated or motivated for mto fight for what's meaningful to me to prove them wrong, I sort of shut down, get lazy, become avoidant of people, new experiences, and stop caring by overindulging in escapism through fantasy. I'm always comfortable on my own, but the existential crisis thing is unnerving and you start avoiding people and facing personal feelings and/or reality by sort of becoming a zombie in every day life. I think it might be an Se-Te loop for Fi-Se types. Personally, I think the big difference between the two is how they use their Se, Ni, and Te. From personal experience I think the big difference is that Fi doms need a concrete self-identity and purpose that they are passionate about, and need objective achievement or approval for what they love (their inferior Te), or else they shut down. Se-doms are a bit more comfortable with not knowing who or what their exact purpose is because they are more comfortable being open with their Fi.
    Last edited by AliceKettle; 11-18-2015 at 03:31 PM.

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    So I didn't read much stuff before but how can I know the difference for myself?
    Last edited by The Penguin; 02-25-2016 at 12:32 PM.
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    ENTJ

    From what I have learned about the cognitive functions, this is what I think would be the difference aside from the obvious E/I reasons:
    * ESFPs can communicate in a more measured/rational way because the Te is not inferior (They tend to be more direct).
    * Both types are playful and light-hearted on the outside, but the ISFP is more serious and intentional in their behavior than ESFPs.
    * ESFPs are more action-oriented, and think slow analysis of a situation kills the joy of the moment. ISFPs are more comfortable with slowing down and thinking through things.
    * ESFPs are usually better at sports.
    * ESFPs are typically more organized (Te is tertiary, not inferior).
    * ESFPs care a little more about their appearance, and look a bit more aesthetically pleasing.
    * ESFPs love spontaneous adventures the most, while ISFP love mulling over their values the most.
    * ESFPs are more comfortable with logic.
    * ESFPs have trouble planning for the future.
    * ESFPs are more spontaneous.
    * ESFPs are more detail-oriented, ISFPs can see the big-picture more easily.

    * ISFPs have trouble with structure.
    * ISFPs are more comfortable with abstractions, and may develop some interest in abstract concepts.
    * ISFPs are more sensitive to conflict.
    * ISFPs daydream a lot more.
    * ISFPs have more of an artistic drive.
    * ISFPs are more "independent" in their judgements because of dominant judging functions. An example of this could be while the ISFP may dress in an individualistic manner, developing their own highly personal style, the ESFP may follow trends more frequently.
    * ISFPs tend to be more accepting of anything unconventional.
    * ISFPs tend to have lower self-esteem.
    * ISFPs are nurturers to a bigger degree than the ESFP.
    * ISFPs tend to have a stronger empathy, and are proud of their "live and let live" -attitude.

    I have an ESFP friend, so I can take some time to contrast myself and him. We are both adventurous, fun-loving, freedom-loving etc. We love new stuff and love being in-the-moment.

    The differences between us is that, because I have tertiary Ni, I have a little more natural interest in school than he has. Not saying I learn abstract information easily, but at least a litte more easily than him. I am also more able to talk about abstract and intellectual topics without losing interest or becoming dejected.

    However, because of dominant Fi I am more likely to daydream and not be able to pay attention, while he can have laser-focus if he makes an effort. When in conversation with him, he is much better than me at paying attention to what the person is saying. He never loses focus, unless you try to discuss typical intuitive things with him. He is also a little more spontaneous than me, and like to live completely in-the-moment.

    Because of his tertiary Te he is good at chess and strategizing plans, at least to a bigger extent than me. He can also explain his points more thoroughly and directly.

    He is also more extraverted than me, and is often the life of the party. I'm generally seen as more private and gentle than him. He brings people together, while I'm often shy or don't want to infringe on peoples' personal space. I'm quite conflict-averse, and he helps me open up to other people as well as to stand up for myself. I also have more of an artistic drive than he has.
    Last edited by IdarG; 07-12-2017 at 07:24 AM.
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    My friend is ISFP and even though she hates doing chores, every sunday she does laundry and cleans her house up. ( she legits does that) It takes her the hole day to do a simple task that might take 2 hours but she spend the whole day just chillin, she has anxiety and stuff like that keeps her stress free. She would rather be alone than go out to the store or hang out with friends. Even though she can be quit Extroverted at times. I sometimes think shes avoiding me or ignoring me but in reality shes just sleeping in or relaxing listening to music. She is straight childish, its almost annoying to me. I have to constantly tell her to act more mature, to stop using bad language in front of minors. She goes to the store and buys candy and coloring books from the kids section,( usually Hello Kitty)

    Though people tend to be drawn to my friends open nature, like moths to a flame, she not drawn to them. People flock around her but she only has 2-3 friends. Its not as though shes antisocial, its just that though she is a high function introvert. She isn't good with communication not at all, and she has social anxiety like me, not as severe as mine but its there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendixy View Post
    I'm not afraid of druggies either. In fact, one of my closest friends smokes pot, and I love her to death. I mean ANYTHING, even sexual talks.
    My ISFP friends smoke pot herself. She has also talked about sexual things in public. I think that ISFP seem like ESFP only when there around close friends cause I now she would never talk about such things in front of strangers.

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    oh shit guys lol I know this forum is old but let me just say
    I cannot stand doing housework, from whenever that post was.

    Se-aux isn't that different than Se-dom. I dated an ExFP for a long time and we got along really well. At the end of the day, he wanted to socialize more and hesitated a tad more in terms of commitment; more interested in terms of possibilities of all the ladies out there he hadn't dated; this seemed absurd to me [bc it just takes my Fi so much longer to trust.] Then again, some IxxPs are great with moving on. Just depends. Interestingly, he was slightly more security-oriented than I was, but that could be enneagram.

    My co-worker is also an ESFP. My ENFP coworker describes her as a 'biddy'. Not unlike myself, she wants to go into a medical field. But her Se is obviously her dominant function. She doesn't mind the noise of clubs and bars and drinking. Her Fi is also a mechanism of her Se. She flits before she figures out what she feels.

    I indulge in cannabis occasionally and drink here and there but I don't mesh well with the party lifestyle. it's just too loud and too crowded. not to say I dislike physical thrills -- but I dislike dealing with large numbers of loud people. I'd rather tackle the Appalachain trail or go surfing. I know exactly who I am and what I want, something that has intimidated and separated Se-doms from myself. though perhaps for the most balanced, it wouldn't be an issue.

    It's a simplification of high-Se. I'm honestly a really outgoing ISFP and both ESFP and ESTP have been presented to me by strangers as likely personality types. But I just lack that kind of forceful energy that dom-Se and tert-Te bring with them.

    tldr; basically to learn the difference between an ISFP and ESFP -- or any introvert and extrovert -- you need to get to know them. introversion doesn't automatically mean homebody.

  9. #18

    I like this thread a lot, especially everyone's theories. While some specifics will not apply to everyone, I can see some of them fitting, especially comparing me to my ISFP mom. Oh gosh, the taking the whole day to do a task that could be done faster really fits. Lol.

    I just realized today I may be an ESFP after thinking I was an ISFP. This thread helps confirm it somewhat.

    My thoughts of why I doubted I may be an ISFP.
    -I can be really detached from my Fi sometimes...too detached from my emotions, like I dont know what I am really feeling or why. I think it is this Fi/Te being so close to each other that it can switch a lot. It even made me wonder if I could be a T. But when I feel offended, my words come out fast and I am like a lawyer putting someone on trial.

    The not flaunting Se makes sense too. I dressed very sloppy for a long while and usually just want to be casual, but my ISFP mom always fussed over me and wanted me to be very ladylike and put together at all times. She gets super proud of herself when she buys something nice or decorates the house. Se is an achievement for her. While lately I feel like Se is like my lifeblood. Lol. It sustains me.

    Fi rigidity. Fi-dom are introverted judgers. So they judge. They have strong principles and understand those well. It is actually what I feel I miss out on sometimes. Like I dont know myself well and have to discover it through experience. I feel like ISFP know themselves well and will live their lives more straightforwardly, when healthy, while I feel a bit more go with the flow (if not stressed).

    Better reading of the environmental/social cues. I thought I was Fe because I can read people's emotions sometimes too well and the social situation. But at the same time, I can care less about it too. My mom can be a bit clueless to the environment because she cares about how she feels at that moment and doesnt worry what others think. I admire that though and should do that myself...but often I observe too much to speak up.

    And then all the differences between perceivers and judgers. Mom is always stressing about, we gotta do this and this and this. And makes it hard for me to relax. But then my ESFP dad he takes relaxing to an extreme...so I dont wanna be like that either.

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryosuke93 View Post
    I just realized today I may be an ESFP after thinking I was an ISFP. This thread helps confirm it somewhat.

    My thoughts of why I doubted I may be an ISFP.
    Well whatever, I think you may be Se dom. Why? Because you can't decide and maybe just make decision on the moment, not looking and bigger picture. You probably focus too much on the moment. Se dom and Ni inferior. That may be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    oh shit guys lol I know this forum is old but let me just say
    I cannot stand doing housework, from whenever that post was.

    Se-aux isn't that different than Se-dom. I dated an ExFP for a long time and we got along really well. At the end of the day, he wanted to socialize more and hesitated a tad more in terms of commitment; more interested in terms of possibilities of all the ladies out there he hadn't dated; this seemed absurd to me [bc it just takes my Fi so much longer to trust.] Then again, some IxxPs are great with moving on. Just depends. Interestingly, he was slightly more security-oriented than I was, but that could be enneagram.

    My co-worker is also an ESFP. My ENFP coworker describes her as a 'biddy'. Not unlike myself, she wants to go into a medical field. But her Se is obviously her dominant function. She doesn't mind the noise of clubs and bars and drinking. Her Fi is also a mechanism of her Se. She flits before she figures out what she feels.

    I indulge in cannabis occasionally and drink here and there but I don't mesh well with the party lifestyle. it's just too loud and too crowded. not to say I dislike physical thrills -- but I dislike dealing with large numbers of loud people. I'd rather tackle the Appalachain trail or go surfing. I know exactly who I am and what I want, something that has intimidated and separated Se-doms from myself. though perhaps for the most balanced, it wouldn't be an issue.

    It's a simplification of high-Se. I'm honestly a really outgoing ISFP and both ESFP and ESTP have been presented to me by strangers as likely personality types. But I just lack that kind of forceful energy that dom-Se and tert-Te bring with them.

    tldr; basically to learn the difference between an ISFP and ESFP -- or any introvert and extrovert -- you need to get to know them. introversion doesn't automatically mean homebody.
    I have sensory processing disorder so loud parties are out. Appalachian trail... yes!!! Whitewater rafting, yep, I've done that.
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