How are you not an esfp stereotype?

@Memory of Talon Thanks for the mention, I do enjoy seeing folks who are able to re-structure typing issues for those of us who are torn between types. I'm actually stuck between ISFP and INFP, though, because I'm unsure about whether I use Ne and just don't know it (especially because I display strong Si attitudes and behaviors) or if I use Ni over my Se and it's my Enneagram type that makes me look like a Si user. ESI in Socionics is associated with multiple MBTI types including both ISFP and INFP so that doesn't help me much. x.x This might sound Ne-ish actually, I just see so many possible interpretations for myself that could work it's difficult for me to really settle on one. I am very fluid mentally and often see myself differently based on mood, attitude, choices, etc.

@Xcopy You sound very insightful, well-read and interesting. Welcome to PerC, it's nice to meet you. :) I agree with what's already been said, the way you defined ESFP and ISFP differences was delightfully concise and clear. Plus your avatar is cute, the expression is fun to try to read. Is he startled? Confused? Curious? Enigmatic and innocent. Loving the red jacket, too. n.n d

Edit: Heard this description of Se-Ni interaction in ISFPs that actually is REALLY helpful, so I'll share for future readers. Even though this is an ESFP thread. Oh well, y'all are still Se-Ni there's just a greater degree of separation. So yay.

 

"The ISFP experiences flashing and fleeting ideas and feelings, though, and fascinating syntheses, that they want to catch and experience more fully, but where as the INTJ and INFJ more often are distracted from their immediate experience by those kinds of potential epiphanies and they tend to easily zone out, the ISFP has the opposite problem of sort of zoning in when they're trying to pay attention to an inner idea. The ISFP can be frustrated about this because they want to experience Ni more, it's their tertiary. They're conflicted between living in the moment and transcending it in their inner life and that sort of adds a bit to the otherworldliness there. They don't want to miss anything important in observing real life but they are also aware of their Ni insights and their importance and possibilities."

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Originally Posted by Xcopy

One obstacle you are going to need to figure out, is if you do things based on how you feel on the inside or if you tend to focus on how feel inside after you do things.

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Strangely, I often find myself having strange emotional outbursts after something happens...like "oh, I'm crying now" and feeling a bit bewildered why these emotions appear. Like I am always caught off guard by them. I would think that I am completely fine with a certain situation, then tears will start coming out or anger, etc.

Is that normal for an esfp? I at first thought it could signify I was a thinker type, but maybe that is just aux-Fi?

I sometimes suspect an ISFP would be less bewildered by their emotions because they contemplate more about them...whereas, I seem to go with the flow more and then I hit these roadblocks of emotion. haha.

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Originally Posted by Ryosuke93

Strangely, I often find myself having strange emotional outbursts after something happens...like "oh, I'm crying now" and feeling a bit bewildered why these emotions appear. Like I am always caught off guard by them. I would think that I am completely fine with a certain situation, then tears will start coming out or anger, etc.

Is that normal for an esfp? I at first thought it could signify I was a thinker type, but maybe that is just aux-Fi?

I sometimes suspect an ISFP would be less bewildered by their emotions because they contemplate more about them...whereas, I seem to go with the flow more and then I hit these roadblocks of emotion. haha.

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Oh Ry, come back to the ESFP fold. I miss you.

Sometimes I have the ability to ignore my emotions to the point where they come out and then I think to myself "Oh yeah... of course.. I forgot I've been ignoring these, obviously I am sad/angry ect for x reasons because y sucks and fuck y... also fuck x for allowing y to happen"

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Originally Posted by Kajada

@Xcopy You sound very insightful, well-read and interesting. Welcome to PerC, it's nice to meet you. :) I agree with what's already been said, the way you defined ESFP and ISFP differences was delightfully concise and clear. Plus your avatar is cute, the expression is fun to try to read. Is he startled? Confused? Curious? Enigmatic and innocent. Loving the red jacket, too. n.n d

Edit: Heard this description of Se-Ni interaction in ISFPs that actually is REALLY helpful, so I'll share for future readers. Even though this is an ESFP thread. Oh well, y'all are still Se-Ni there's just a greater degree of separation. So yay.

 

"The ISFP experiences flashing and fleeting ideas and feelings, though, and fascinating syntheses, that they want to catch and experience more fully, but where as the INTJ and INFJ more often are distracted from their immediate experience by those kinds of potential epiphanies and they tend to easily zone out, the ISFP has the opposite problem of sort of zoning in when they're trying to pay attention to an inner idea. The ISFP can be frustrated about this because they want to experience Ni more, it's their tertiary. They're conflicted between living in the moment and transcending it in their inner life and that sort of adds a bit to the otherworldliness there. They don't want to miss anything important in observing real life but they are also aware of their Ni insights and their importance and possibilities."

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Thank you.. I assure you, any insightfulness I show comes from many years of being an idiot for the majority of life, not really self deprecating, it is just true. Life has a way of showing you just where you stand as far as intelligence, and I have a lot of moments of being really smart, and just as many moments of being an idiot. (Like asking the person on my phone, where my phone was after I bought a new one. I was getting used to how it felt in my hand.) As for my avatar? It is Gold from Pokemon Gold, or Hibiki as he's called in the manga Pokemon Special. I've wondered what his blank expression means, it is the face I would make if someone asked me about politics. lol XD


That Se-Ni description is sounds a bit familiar. I rarely get "vibes" like people talk about or random flashes of insights.. and when it happens I used to ignore it, it wasn't until recently where I would actually pay more attention to it. Like, someone would get into an argument with me over something and I would have no idea what angle or what they were talking about until it would basically hit me randomly, and I would suddenly be able to understand them. That, and I have terrible focus towards long term focuses, due to being distracted by something I saw. >.>

I think the easiest way to tell if you're an ESFP or an ISFP is to ask yourself: How in the moment am I?
I feel like ISFPs will feel more in their head, focused more on their feelings and that ESFPs will be more in the moment, soaking in the details of their environment with enthusiasm.

Because I'm unique duhh

-not a drinker (have seen too many lives ruined by it, so I resent the stuff and also haven't been able to enjoy the taste either)
-stay indoors, at home most of the time
-can be cold, can repress my feelings or not be fully aware of why they occur (I actually am torn sometimes between feeler and thinker, but the older I get the less I want to base decisions on feelings...though part of me believes there is still a lot of usefulness/insights to be gained from Fi)
-idealize health and healthy habits (though following it is another struggle)
-not much of a shopper...until I discovered online shopping. Lol. And even then, I am frugal with my cash.
-haven't cared about dressing nice till recently, usually just want to be comfortable
-often lead others to believe I am more academic/intelligent than I actually feel or want to be...I am curious and understand concepts quickly in class and can contribute to theoretical discussions...but I have a limit and no I don't want to do your assignments/homework/study for ur tests/write papers
-but out of all that, I like writing best
-i like pics and vids of kids than actual kids themselves, lol. Like filming my nieces/nephews rather than babysitting. They are so much work and so moody! But then, I feel like one day I want to be a mom, if my health permits.
-i can be extremely loyal to a fault...and give many chances...but once I write you off...it can very much be over for life
-get depressed/negative/cynical easily...though I'm working on that (sometimes I feel like I see truth more readily when I'm low, like a veil has been pulled aside and reality is raw and ugly and I'm seeing it for the first time in the correct light...when in the past, everything could be spun in a positive light. I'm back to trying to recapture my youth's optimism, but it is hard...I think I am turning to more of a realist, which I guess fits the esfp stereotype)

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Originally Posted by Ryosuke93

-not a drinker (have seen too many lives ruined by it, so I resent the stuff and also haven't been able to enjoy the taste either)
-stay indoors, at home most of the time
-can be cold, can repress my feelings or not be fully aware of why they occur (I actually am torn sometimes between feeler and thinker, but the older I get the less I want to base decisions on feelings...though part of me believes there is still a lot of usefulness/insights to be gained from Fi)
-idealize health and healthy habits (though following it is another struggle)
-not much of a shopper...until I discovered online shopping. Lol. And even then, I am frugal with my cash.
-haven't cared about dressing nice till recently, usually just want to be comfortable
-often lead others to believe I am more academic/intelligent than I actually feel or want to be...I am curious and understand concepts quickly in class and can contribute to theoretical discussions...but I have a limit and no I don't want to do your assignments/homework/study for ur tests/write papers
-but out of all that, I like writing best
-i like pics and vids of kids than actual kids themselves, lol. They are so much work and so moody! But then, I feel like one day I want to be a mom, if my health permits.
-i can be extremely loyal to a fault...and give many chances...but once I write you off...it can very much be over for life
-get depressed/negative/cynical easily...though I'm working on that (sometimes I feel like I see truth more readily when I'm low, like a veil has been pulled aside and reality is raw and ugly and I'm seeing it for the first time in the correct light...when in the past, everything could be spun in a positive light. I'm back to trying to recapture my youth's optimism, but it is hard...I think I am turning to more of a realist, which I guess fits the esfp stereotype)

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That's really interesting so what made you realise you were an esfp?

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Originally Posted by vforverification

That's really interesting so what made you realise you were an esfp?

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I have been following this new way of typing called Cognitive Type for several years, where they type you on micro facial expressions and body movements. But it is still in somewhat an infancy stage, so the information is sort of scarce (though a new book and website has come out) and actually reading others/oneself correctly is a process of trial and error...actually a whole room for error. So I don't know for sure. I've brought up this typing system before, but I keep it underwraps at times because it is rather controversial...asserting that one can visually see a person's type. I didn't believe it at first...but I am becoming a believer.

But I do relate to other things about ESFP, but I probably shouldn't explain it for the sake of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Ryosuke93

-not a drinker (have seen too many lives ruined by it, so I resent the stuff and also haven't been able to enjoy the taste either)
-stay indoors, at home most of the time
-can be cold, can repress my feelings or not be fully aware of why they occur (I actually am torn sometimes between feeler and thinker, but the older I get the less I want to base decisions on feelings...though part of me believes there is still a lot of usefulness/insights to be gained from Fi)
-idealize health and healthy habits (though following it is another struggle)
-not much of a shopper...until I discovered online shopping. Lol. And even then, I am frugal with my cash.
-haven't cared about dressing nice till recently, usually just want to be comfortable
-often lead others to believe I am more academic/intelligent than I actually feel or want to be...I am curious and understand concepts quickly in class and can contribute to theoretical discussions...but I have a limit and no I don't want to do your assignments/homework/study for ur tests/write papers
-but out of all that, I like writing best
-i like pics and vids of kids than actual kids themselves, lol. They are so much work and so moody! But then, I feel like one day I want to be a mom, if my health permits.
-i can be extremely loyal to a fault...and give many chances...but once I write you off...it can very much be over for life
-get depressed/negative/cynical easily...though I'm working on that (sometimes I feel like I see truth more readily when I'm low, like a veil has been pulled aside and reality is raw and ugly and I'm seeing it for the first time in the correct light...when in the past, everything could be spun in a positive light. I'm back to trying to recapture my youth's optimism, but it is hard...I think I am turning to more of a realist, which I guess fits the esfp stereotype)

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I actually relate to a lot of these points. Especially the bolded.

Especially when I was younger I would repress my emotions quite a bit and become quite cold. It can take awhile to actually process them later.

I often tell people on this forum that sometimes tell me that I'm not coming off as a feeler that I am a sensor first.