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This is a discussion on ESTJ Fashion within the ESTJ Forum - The Guardians forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; Yes and no. I do dress in what some call 'boring' clothes, plain colours: black, grey, muted blues and reds. ...

  1. #11
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Yes and no.

    I do dress in what some call 'boring' clothes, plain colours: black, grey, muted blues and reds. However I have a special love of the colour red, I don't like wearing it too much because its just too much of a statement colour and that scares me a little. I don't keep up to date with 'in' fashion, but I do love the 80's style, cardigans and leggings and such, just because they're comfortable and easy I suppose. I also can't wear mismatched underwear, everything has to match and if it doesn't it gets put back and I try something else on, I can spend hours trying to find the right combination of clothes, appearance is very important to me.

    I have a work uniform so I don't get to choose that, but at college I tend to wear jeans and a nice top, not too nice because I'm an artist, and my clothes tend to get messy throughout the day so I try not to wear my nice clothes, for instance I bought a pair of jeans from topshop but I don't wear them to college because I'm scared of ruining them.

    I really love shirts and pencil skirts and braces (the ones used to hold up trousers) and jackets, but I don't get to wear them often.

    On a different side though I love to cosplay, I guess I feel more comfortable wearing outlandish outfits when I'm pretending to be a different person, I'd never dream of wearing any of those outfits to anything but conventions.

    Also I love your clothes!!

  2. #12
    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Trekiael and Charizard, do you guys also find that your cosplay choices tend to be...disturbingly similar in terms of character personality and style? For me, there's a lot of "traditional" clothing like kimonos, hakamas, qipaos and school uniforms. (X's Arashi, Bleach's Lisa, Darker than Black's Misaki, Sengoku Basara's Nouhime) Even the characters that wear more modern, abstract outfits, have independent personalities.

    I don't know other ESTJ cosplayers, so I don't know if my character preferences are something unique to me, or a type norm.

    ---

    I find I have three mindsets when it comes to choosing clothes.

    First Mindset: Work
    In this, I fit the description perfectly. I love suits. I could wear them all day and not feel stifled, uncomfortable, restrained, etc. Ironed shirts, pressed pants…I find it all empowering, elegant and dignified. My jewelry usually consists of a simple ring, a pearl necklace, or discrete earrings. Professional, functional and non-distracting.

    Second Mindset: Public Appearances Outside of Work
    I like being fashionable, but have little motivation to keep with with each seasons trends. If left to my own devices, I'd only purchase blacks, emerald greens, rich blues and ruby reds. Lots of jewel tones. I shy away from pastels; they're not bold enough. I don't like floral or heavily patterned designs.

    My older brother is incredibly fashion conscious and often insists on pairing outfits and accessories for me. Whenever he's out shopping, he always keeps an eye out for women's clothes and I love him for being so considerate to me.

    When it comes to trends, I pick and choose what I think is acceptable. For example, take the leggings/skinny jeans trend. If I'm going to wear them, I'm going all out equestrian: everything short of a riding crop. Absolutely none of those hideous Uggs. Again, emphasis on a classy, sleek silhouette.

    Regarding the "element of conservatism," I think there is a time and place for dressing like a slut. Clubs and bars can be acceptable, but everyday outings is not. Baring your chest or your butt isn't classy, it's crass. That type behavior won't illicit respect.

    Third Mindset: At Home
    Ironically, if I'm home and surrounded by people who already accept me, I wear whatever is the most comfortable. It often clashes fantastically and drives my brother nuts.

    Shoes of Choice
    At work: 4" pumps in black or nude
    Around the town: 4" espadrilles, ballet flats or riding boots
    At the club: something strapy and sexy. 4.5" with stiletto heels.
    At home: fluffy slippers with stuffed animal heads
    Note: I'm 5'5". The majority of my male friends (and exboyfriends) are above 5'11". Most are around the 6'3" height. I didn't plan it, it just happened.

    How I buy clothes:
    I look at the fit. If it doesn't fit me, the rest of these variables are irrelevant.
    I look at the material. How is the quality? Will it last several washes?
    I look at the price. Does it reflect the craftsmanship and material?
    I look at the brand. Is the article unique only to that brand? Does it look expensive?

    Shops I usually frequent
    Zara. Banana Republic. Anthropologie. Forever21. United Colors of Benetton. Nordstroms.

    Compared to my friends, I'm pretty cheap. Aside from suits, I don't set aside a large portion of my income towards clothing.

  3. #13
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by JustJac View Post
    Trekiael and Charizard, do you guys also find that your cosplay choices tend to be...disturbingly similar in terms of character personality and style? For me, there's a lot of "traditional" clothing like kimonos, hakamas, qipaos and school uniforms. (X's Arashi, Bleach's Lisa, Darker than Black's Misaki, Sengoku Basara's Nouhime) Even the characters that wear more modern, abstract outfits, have independent personalities.

    Weirdly enough yes I do! Last year I wore a school uniform (loveless: Akame Youji) I really wanted to go as Nisei from the same series however my friends thought his outfit (black trousers, black shirt, black jacket) was too dull so I changed my mind. I'd love to wear a kimono this year, just because they are so elegant and wonderful.
    I tend to cosplay as characters with uniforms, maid outfits, exorcists outfits, school uniforms etc...I just can't handle the crazy abstract ones, though I respect the people who choose to wear them. You'll certainly never see me wearing a bear suit or anything like that! Maybe this is a ESTJ trend in cosplaying?

    I agree with all of your fashion choices...though I can't wear heels out because I'm 5'8" so I would tower over pretty much everyone, even though I love heels. Short skirts (that don't show your knickers off) are okay when you're out for the night, but I can't stand the girls who wear leggings with short tops so you can see their asses...it irritates me so much, I have to fight the urge to shout at them for it. Leggings are wonderful with a long top or a dress or a long jumper, but they are not the same as trousers and so they shouldn't be worn in the same way.

    I'd wear a pencil skirt, a white shirt/blouse and a nice tailored jacket everyday if I could, with some black or dark red heels. ^_^
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  5. #14
    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Quote Originally Posted by Charizard View Post
    Maybe this is a ESTJ trend in cosplaying?
    Maybe! If so, it'll be easier to pick us out of the crowd for sure.

    I can't wear heels out because I'm 5'8" so I would tower over pretty much everyone, even though I love heels.
    Aw, if you love heels, you should wear them. If you've got that height, flaunt it! Nicole Kidman looks fabulous in heels, and Keith Urban's confident enough to be shorter.

    I can't stand the girls who wear leggings with short tops so you can see their asses...it irritates me so much, I have to fight the urge to shout at them for it. Leggings are wonderful with a long top or a dress or a long jumper, but they are not the same as trousers and so they shouldn't be worn in the same way.
    Yes. This.

    I'd wear a pencil skirt, a white shirt/blouse and a nice tailored jacket everyday if I could, with some black or dark red heels. ^_^
    I raise you cat-eye glasses and hair pulled up in a messy bun for that sexy, understated librarian look. XD
    Last edited by JustJac; 01-31-2011 at 05:46 PM. Reason: Font/Style Adjustment

  6. #15
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by JustJac View Post

    I raise you cat-eye glasses and hair pulled up in a messy bun for that sexy, understated librarian look. XD
    Well I do have a strange obsession with glasses, I'll have to try this one out. Complete with satchel I hope? I can't go anywhere without my satchel, and some wonderfully old hardback book of poetry or a classic like Moby Dick or something...

    As for the cosplaying, I'm going to try this theory out at the next convention, I'm sure theres something in this!

    This year I have a wonderful ruby red maid outfit especially made for me, I'm so excited about wearing it. I have matching shoes too! Heels this time because you're right, I should wear them if I love them :D

  7. #16
    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Quote Originally Posted by Charizard View Post
    Well I do have a strange obsession with glasses, I'll have to try this one out. Complete with satchel I hope?
    Only if it reminds people of a schoolbag, darling. To be honest, I prefer wearing contacts and rarely wear my glasses out in public. I'm rather vain.

    As for the cosplaying, I'm going to try this theory out at the next convention, I'm sure theres something in this!
    What do you think about starting a general thread and searching for patterns among the different types?


    Heels this time because you're right, I should wear them if I love them :D
    Your legs are going to look a mile long. I'm excited for you!

  8. #17
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Only if it reminds people of a schoolbag, darling.
    Of course, it's very scholarly indeed, and vintage too, and as for the glasses, I actually like wearing mine, though I'm looking forward to getting rid of my old ones and getting my new red frames.


    What do you think about starting a general thread and searching for patterns among the different types?
    Sounds like a plan, I'd love to see the responses we get, there must be trends within other types, it can't be just ESTJ's



    Your legs are going to look a mile long. I'm excited for you!
    With all the walking and jogging I've been doing I should hope so! I'm excited for myself and it's in October! (possibly May also)

  9. #18
    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Quote Originally Posted by JustJac View Post
    Trekiael and Charizard, do you guys also find that your cosplay choices tend to be...disturbingly similar in terms of character personality and style? For me, there's a lot of "traditional" clothing like kimonos, hakamas, qipaos and school uniforms. (X's Arashi, Bleach's Lisa, Darker than Black's Misaki, Sengoku Basara's Nouhime) Even the characters that wear more modern, abstract outfits, have independent personalities.
    As a personal challenge, I like to pick up characters that are very different in style, looks and personalities each time I cosplay or do a murder partie. But my favorite characters, those I feel most confortable going at, have at least a dominating personality. I can't play cute. Well, I can, but I feel like showing that I'm not like that immediately afterward, which won't do when you're interpreting a character. Also, yes, I do like uniforms and traditional clothing the most, though I like them slightly altered. Like, the con in november I went as Fye from Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, taken from a picture in which he's wearing a suit and a long cloak. except the jacket of the suit is inredibly long in the back, the cloak is huge, and both have pattern painted on them. I went as Squall from Dissidia last summer. Not uniform, but personality-wise? ISTJ so I liked it. Also, I love leather (never again in summer, though). I went as Hijikata from Gintama summer prior. Unifrom and ESTJ. I was able to carry my katana around too. Though simple and unperfect, it was the cosplay I felt the most at ease wearing. As for murder parties, yes, I often do pick characters which have either uniform or suit to wear. Like priest or butler.


    Quote Originally Posted by JustJac View Post
    Regarding the "element of conservatism," I think there is a time and place for dressing like a slut. Clubs and bars can be acceptable, but everyday outings is not. Baring your chest or your butt isn't classy, it's crass. That type behavior won't illicit respect.
    About that. There's one rule to always follow: Short skirt with shirt that shows nothing of your breast (large, no décolleté), sexy shirt with long skirt or pants (not too tight either). Rule to always follow. That's what makes you from a sexy girl to a complete slut. Generally speaking, though, Girls shouldn't have to show off body parts. I believe being sexy is a matter of behavior, and wearing really short, skin tight clothing is just calling to be screwed. I really don't get the thing with women and always wanting to attract everyone's lusty looks. Appreciation for a good fashion sense and respect are more important and flattering, no? Like, say, Bett in "The L Word"? Always sexy, never indecent ESTJ.
    I don't think Clubs and bars are acceptable either. Actually, worse, it clearly shows you're desperate to get laid.
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  10. #19
    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Quote Originally Posted by Trekiael View Post
    I really don't get the thing with women and always wanting to attract everyone's lusty looks. Appreciation for a good fashion sense and respect are more important and flattering, no? Like, say, Bett in "The L Word"? Always sexy, never indecent ESTJ.
    I don't think Clubs and bars are acceptable either. Actually, worse, it clearly shows you're desperate to get laid.
    I completely agree. When I said there's a time and a place for dressing like a slut, I was referring to other women, not myself. If we're there, I give women a little more leeway when I evaluate their character. (Do we ever stop judging?)

    Regarding lusty looks: that's what I love about European men in the daytime. They can appreciate a woman's beauty without leering or making it sexual. You can walk down a street and they openly give you a look-over, give you a friendly smile as you pass by, and then move on. Harmless, non-threatening, and no expectations of getting me in bed.

    It's a refreshing type of open admiration that you just can't find often in the states.
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  11. #20
    INTJ - The Scientists

    It's a refreshing type of open admiration that you just can't find often in the states.

    I haven't been to the states but I know that in England there are different types of open admiration, the wolf-whistling loud-mouthed kind, the heckling and the one you described. I am blind to the last one unfortunately, and constantly get told by my companions that someone was looking at me after the event has occured, but I do agree that it is by far the nicest form of admiration from strangers...as long as they don't follow it up with any kind of verbal comment. ^_^


     
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