[ESTP] Are other types aware of how much ESTPs Are NOT their enemy

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This is a discussion on Are other types aware of how much ESTPs Are NOT their enemy within the ESTP Forum - The Doers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; Yes it’s a very flamboyant and self righteous statement I am just genuinely curious How many people think outside the ...

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    Are other types aware of how much ESTPs Are NOT their enemy

    Yes it’s a very flamboyant and self righteous statement

    I am just genuinely curious

    How many people think outside the trope of the obnoxious high school ‘jackass’ seen in ESTPs, and are able to recognize how much an ESTP truly can impact their environment.

    Now when I say this I am not referring to the typical over played whine of some introverts talking about how all ESTPs suck the life out of them or base and assume their high school bully was ESTP (hey news flash fuckers your high school bully who you do commonly mistake as ESTP was probably more than likely an ESFx or ENxP-yeah that is right fuckers)

    ESTP probably in most cases was not torturing you in high school. We were way to busy either already killing it winning in whatever arena or literally flicking off the establishment, not playing social politics. Why because we either do not have to or do not care to. The memo here is: know and learn your enemy intuitive introverts- ESTP was probably either your defender or completely blind and indifferent to you.

    So how can an ESTP impact environment
    We tend to identify everyone for what they are and place them
    But we do have Fe so it means we try and do this fair but with reason (Ti)
    While we can get goofy In crowds and get too show boat, we also have an extremely serious side that’s i think what some may not recognize in an estp in certain settings.

    We actually tend to have indifference to networking outside of it being a means to an end
    So maybe in friendship we could be popular
    But it’s not as likely we are the trope some of what you morons mistake us as (generally speaking)

    Reasons anyone who is an idiot who thinks an estp is a silly popular girl boy trope: well for starters I was not Regina George- I grabbed the Reginas by the pony and slammed their face into my knee when young.

    So fun fact victims
    ESTP
    Most likely type for you to actually want on your side
    Because we can spot the bull shit in the room
    Negotiate for the group and fuck up the deltas in a room

    ESTP is the most likely to actually step back (yeah that is right)
    In a discovery faze to identify where everyone is positioned
    We can build an army actually corralling everyone on the teams interests
    We are huge on actually building people up!
    Yes that’s right!
    We can’t complete our mission with weak pussies
    We want strong people on our side
    And we wanna make a man outta you
    Even if you’re a pussy
    Not kick a pussy down and make them a bigger pussy!
    If we are hard on you it’s probably because we think you have something
    (We don’t fucken bother with wasted energy & resources) unless it’s to support an angle and be kosher but we will be indifferent and civil not kiss ass

    I just am not sure people have a very clear view of what the fuck an estp is
    As a type
    Last edited by Sensational; 06-18-2018 at 10:49 AM.
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    There's stuff I want to get off my chest too but this thread summarizes what I think pretty damned well. No need to say more.

    I've come to consider ESTPs to be similar to wolves and other pack animals. Leave us alone and we'll leave you be but we care very deeply about our inner circle and family. I will take a bullet for anyone I care about. It's instinctive and has been tested once before. I think people completely misunderstand how developed our compassion can actually be.

    Hurting someone else intentionally isn't even a priority. Never was. I don't believe in Karma but I see it all the time. The universe takes care of things on its own.

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    ESFP


    The more I read of this post, the more the voice I read it in starts sounding like a drill sergeant. LMFAO
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    Hmm yeah, as an ISFP the ESTPs didn't really bother me all that much at school.
    I guess Fi took care of that. (Their PoLR and stuff)
    My main bully when I was a kid was ENTJ anyway.
    With an ENTP/ESFJ pair making my life hell at times.
    It didn't help that I lost contact with my ESFP friend from kindergarden.
    I found an ENFP friend instead, but I think overall that relationship was mentally straining.
    Especially whenever the ENFP wanted to include the ENTP.
    Not that this anecdote, proves anything about the distribution of bullies, just saying.
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    It kind of seems like your post proves you are what I think you are. lol
    So what do I think of ESTPs? I think ENFPs and ESTPs mostly have different motivation, but I think when I point that out to you all you are likely to say, "Nope, nonsense, everybody wants what I want." Maybe MBTI-informed ESTPs might realize there's some difference?

    I'm remembering watching a very obnoxious 22 year old ESTP try to win my nerdy friend's affection because they had been to a 2 month long training together and I think any time you guys have respect and like for someone (someone gets under your skin) you do try to tease them into liking you and pour on some ESTP charm to win them over and/or "innocently" terrorize them if you are bored. It was endearing watching him, kind of his saving grace it seemed to me.

    And I like it when you guys tell stories-- that's fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesha View Post
    So what do I think of ESTPs? I think ENFPs and ESTPs mostly have different motivation, but I think when I point that out to you all you are likely to say, "Nope, nonsense, everybody wants what I want." Maybe MBTI-informed ESTPs might realize there's some difference?
    LOL. Nice one Alesha. A judgment with the softest of blows. Very ENFP. I wish I could sting with such a subtle touch.

    Of course, you are right. When I was younger, I had people tell me "Not everyone thinks like you", and my response, which is very Ti meaning being right was all that mattered, was "Well, they should."

    If I had to guess the background with why Sensational is posting this, and it was something I would have posted before understanding type, has to do with the business world. It's so frustrating to me that people have such a fixed notion with business. They focus on getting their slice of the pie when an ESTP can see the whole pie can grow.

    The thing is that it neglects feeling and when it comes to feeling, things are really messed up. There was a study once that asked would you prefer A) making $100,000 a year in a neighborhood where everyone else makes $50,000 or B) living in a neighborhood where everyone makes $200,000. I think option A won by a margin of like 2:1.

    So to Sensational's point, if she is trying to get everyone's pay to $200,000 per year, she IS the enemy of the person making $100,000 per year. To the logic minded ESTP, the very notion that someone would resent us for trying to double their salary is insane, but that is the majority of people. The ESTP trying to grow the whole pie then will often be looked at as the enemy.

    It's not always illogical though. I think the Game of Life mentioned the goals of life being money, fame, and happiness. I think most ESTPs would put money first, fame second, and happiness third.

    You could grow the pie in some but not most instances with fame as there is only going to be one Miss America, one super bowl champ, one MVP ETC. So when it comes to fame, there is something to be said about anyone being seen as competition as being the enemy. That is somewhat logical.

    With happiness, I think most ESTPs would think that if they had enough money, there is no way they couldn't be happy. It was one of life's great lessons that I got all that I wanted at one point in my life, and I wasn't happy. In fact, I was miserable.

    Anyway, people should feel equal amounts of happiness or sadness with earning/winning $50,00 or losing $50,000 but they don't. Studies show people are twice as sad with losing $50,000 (or whatever is a substantial amount) then happy if they made $50,000. The point about making money though is lost on people. Unlike the SP artisans, most people are so afraid of losing money they won't invest in things that could make them money preferring to save it. (But these same people will go gambling at a casino because it is fun and lose their shirt.) Any ESTP expressing frustration over how most people act in the gambling v. investment scenario is at risk of being viewed as the enemy and pummeled. Many/most of the other types don't like to be told what they are doing makes no sense.

    Again, it's hard for ESTPs to grasp but in order to be happy, does that mean often leaving logic behind? I think the answer to that question in many instances is yes. People who believe in religious fairy tales in my experience are more happy than those who don't.

    And any ESTP who brings logic to a discussion about religion is frequently going to be seen as the enemy. We ESTPs have to understand that our logical feelings and values aren't shared by most others, and any implication that other types are wrong to think as they do (and not like us) is frequently going to make us be viewed as the enemy.
    Last edited by elvis2010; 06-19-2018 at 09:30 PM.
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    I suspect ESTP-humanoid(s) and I may get along well. I do not (come across) many -- we are simply not in similar localities, usually. Edit: Cannot believe I forgot, about this one associate.

    I actually do know (one) ESTP? (Although I speculated about her type for sometime), however after this post, I am certain she is a thinker and dominant (Se) with Fe (ESTP). She is absolutely gorgeous with breast implants. Lots judge her rather fast; but I find her awesome to talk to. Very down to earth, kind, intelligent with lots of "practical smarts" (&) hilarious, with this "staying the fuck out of it protective aggression" against specimen(s) that never dies. Talks just like you. I could listen her talk about life all day rofl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensational View Post

    Reasons anyone who is an idiot who thinks an estp is a silly popular girl boy trope: well for starters I was not Regina George- I grabbed the Reginas by the pony and slammed their face into my knee when young.
    LMAO. I feel I am on a similar boat. The NT-stereotypes make NT specimens seem like "logical softies" talking over bully fights rationally. Absolutely not. I socked Regina in the vagina plenty times. Type stereotypes are so cheesy (&) bogus.
    Last edited by Catwalk; 06-19-2018 at 11:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensational View Post
    We can’t complete our mission with weak pussies
    We want strong people on our side
    I guess thats why I dont have any ESTP friends
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    Have you guys ever heard wrestling promos? Because Sensational should be in the WWE ring delivering this like a Diva.

    Perfect Heel promo if you ask me.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kommandant View Post
    I guess thats why I dont have any ESTP friends
    Some of us don't mind dragging the weak ones along as long as they show the strength to keep up and eventually blaze their own path. At the time, there's no judgement either because I realize that not everyone has the same capability, but everyone has the potential.

    I mean, I would say a lot of other sweet things to make myself appear more endearing, but the truth is that after a while of dragging someone not capable, I get very tired and frustrated.

    Go do the thing I know you're capable of doing because you have all the power in the world to do it yourself!
    Last edited by Jawz; 06-20-2018 at 12:36 AM.
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    Good post. I also think the stereotype manipulative used - car salesmen is also false. ESTPs are not all that manipulative. In my experience, STJs tend to be more manipulative. The way I see it, ESTPs just do their thing, and on the way, they "collect" people - more people who want the same stuff they do. ESTPs are good at being social influencers, I find. My brother is an ESTP, so I have lots of experience with the type.
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