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This is a discussion on To be or not to be ESTP? within the ESTP Forum - The Doers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; I am in need of an ESTPs thoughts about this post https://www.personalitycafe.com/#/topics/1292403 Basically, for quite a while, I have been ...

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    To be or not to be ESTP?

    I am in need of an ESTPs thoughts about this post https://www.personalitycafe.com/#/topics/1292403

    Basically, for quite a while, I have been consistently typed as ESTP. Now, I can't really tell how much of an ESTP I am, so that's why I need an ESTPs thoughts about that post. It's a questionnaire I recently filled (the 4th attempt, actually) and, just like I said, consistently typing as ESTP (not to mention my Enneagram is 7w8 which happens to scream ExTP) screams something to me, but I need a second pair of eyes to confirm my assumption 🙂

    Any more info you need, don't hesitate to ask. In fact, it would be a good thing to have more than just ESTPs reviewing that post; it would help to establish even better if I am an Se dom or aux. I just posted it here in the ESTP section since that was the type I consistently scored as.



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    Went through your post history and found both of your type threads. Nope. Not ESTP imo - but I could be wrong.

    Lack of ESTPness is clearer in the first Type me thread (the one dealing with scenarios) than the second one where in the first thread Te is more prominent than Ti and Se ... is just kinda there.

    If you've read the ESTP type description and still have doubts, then it's likely that you're not it. From experience of myself and others I can tell you that once you get your type right, the descriptions just jump out at you because they are very, very close as a whole. Not just a part here or a part there.

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    To be perfectly honest, the only thing I don't doubt is me being a T.
    But the thing that sticks out like an eyesore is that:
    1. I take in objective facts.
    2. Produce a judgment based on my own sense of logic. I do sometimes use objective logic, but not all the time. And usually, I only really understand it if it follows my way of thinking.
    AFAIK, that's Ti. But it doesn't seem to be as developed as in a Ti dom, so that leaves it as Ti aux. The only Ti aux types are ESTP and ENTP.
    Te dom would've been a possible variant, but Te doms are described as being highly organized, very systematic. I am anything but systematic. And I care a lot about the road, not the end result. If the road islong and painful, then why bother?
    ENTP just doesn't fit me that well. Ne dom is described as highly aware of possibilities around them. Whereas Se is highly aware of what is around them <- that's something I do easily, but generating possibilities? Not that easy.
    I would ask you to test me to see if I use TeFi/TiFe axis, but I don't think it's the right place for it.
    There are two other Type me posts (besides these two I had mentioned) that I wrote. If you don't mind taking a look at them, then that'd be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xVladdy View Post
    To be perfectly honest, the only thing I don't doubt is me being a T.
    But the thing that sticks out like an eyesore is that:
    1. I take in objective facts.
    2. Produce a judgment based on my own sense of logic. I do sometimes use objective logic, but not all the time. And usually, I only really understand it if it follows my way of thinking.
    AFAIK, that's Ti. But it doesn't seem to be as developed as in a Ti dom, so that leaves it as Ti aux. The only Ti aux types are ESTP and ENTP.
    Te dom would've been a possible variant, but Te doms are described as being highly organized, very systematic. I am anything but systematic. And I care a lot about the road, not the end result. If the road islong and painful, then why bother?
    ENTP just doesn't fit me that well. Ne dom is described as highly aware of possibilities around them. Whereas Se is highly aware of what is around them <- that's something I do easily, but generating possibilities? Not that easy.
    I would ask you to test me to see if I use TeFi/TiFe axis, but I don't think it's the right place for it.
    There are two other Type me posts (besides these two I had mentioned) that I wrote. If you don't mind taking a look at them, then that'd be great.

    "And I care a lot about the road, not the end result."
    Is it just me, or is that a rather un-estp statement? :P

    Edit: *insert more serious tone of voice

    Reading https://www.personalitycafe.com/what...l#post42717947

    Se as I personally know it is very sensory-details focused, whilst Ti is rather categorical in an "if X, then Y" manner. In contrast, I personally see a heavy focus on function, purpose and what "it" is in a general sense in your post. I may be wrong, but I personally don't see Se-Ti.
    Last edited by Choice; 10-20-2018 at 12:31 AM.
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    @Choice Hmm... *thinks deeply*
    Now that I'm thinking more, you're actually right.
    But still, I have this hunch, this assumption that Se is still somewhere in my functions stack, but clearly not as dom or aux.
    I guess I will have to clarify my judging axis first and then my perceiving axis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xVladdy View Post
    To be perfectly honest, the only thing I don't doubt is me being a T.
    But the thing that sticks out like an eyesore is that:
    1. I take in objective facts.
    2. Produce a judgment based on my own sense of logic. I do sometimes use objective logic, but not all the time. And usually, I only really understand it if it follows my way of thinking.
    AFAIK, that's Ti. But it doesn't seem to be as developed as in a Ti dom, so that leaves it as Ti aux. The only Ti aux types are ESTP and ENTP.
    Te dom would've been a possible variant, but Te doms are described as being highly organized, very systematic. I am anything but systematic. And I care a lot about the road, not the end result. If the road islong and painful, then why bother?
    ENTP just doesn't fit me that well. Ne dom is described as highly aware of possibilities around them. Whereas Se is highly aware of what is around them <- that's something I do easily, but generating possibilities? Not that easy.
    I would ask you to test me to see if I use TeFi/TiFe axis, but I don't think it's the right place for it.
    There are two other Type me posts (besides these two I had mentioned) that I wrote. If you don't mind taking a look at them, then that'd be great.
    Hello.

    (1) highly points out Te.
    (2) points out basically what any humans do. Who doesn't use internal logic (=/= Ti)? Using internal logic doesn't mean you're actively using Ti (categorizing everything in an internal framework/system, as if world could be put in a single systematic equation that defined the truth. <- Kind of an extreme version of Ti.)
    (+) The reason for ruling Te out of your stack is a MBTI misconception. Because Te =/= efficiency, Te =/= being rigid and organized, Te =/= being systematic, Te =/= caring only about results. A lot of Te-dom here fed this stereotype, but it's not necessarily true. It's more a "American Te-dom with a broom stuck in the ass working in management/finance" cliché, which doesn't equal to every Te-dom. Te is more like your first point, actively looking for objective facts and putting them together.

    In any case, Ti strong users usually know how to use Te well, and the contrary is also true. Checking if you're using Ti or Fi as internal guidance would be more relevant to your case. Summed up simplistically, when someone does something morally VERY bad, are you all "Oh wow curious, why did he do that? Mmh." or "NO THAT'S SO WRONG KILL DAT TRASH".

    (example : I know a Te-dom who will actively look for official information about you -what you do in life / did you lie about what you did in life-, to basically label you "trash" or "good person". On the other side, she's extremely morally principled. Ti-dom/aux, on the other side is more accepting of any kind of answer, but it strongly lacks what one would call 'a moral compass'. Again, those are extreme.)
    Last edited by Cobble; 10-20-2018 at 06:28 AM.

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    @Cobble

    Dafuq? That Te-dom you mentioned is nuts. Complete and utter N U T S.
    I just think like "why does she do that?"
    FYI, I ask myself lots of "why?" questions. And not only myself; I put that question even more when it's something from the outside (aka not internal thoughts).
    But thanks to you giving me an example, I think I my axis is Ti-Fe.
    Reading more about this, it points out even more to Ti-Fe. But it's not Ti-dom. Not even close. More like Ti-aux.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xVladdy View Post
    @Cobble

    Dafuq? That Te-dom you mentioned is nuts. Complete and utter N U T S.
    I just think like "why does she do that?"
    FYI, I ask myself lots of "why?" questions. And not only myself; I put that question even more when it's something from the outside (aka not internal thoughts).
    But thanks to you giving me an example, I think I my axis is Ti-Fe.
    Reading more about this, it points out even more to Ti-Fe. But it's not Ti-dom. Not even close. More like Ti-aux.
    Hehe yes I know, told you she was extreme, but the example was handy to showcase underdeveloped inf-Fi "Black and White vision". (+ distrust in people & unhealthy behavior alright.) Happy this helped you anyway. :-)
    Last edited by Cobble; 10-21-2018 at 04:25 AM.

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    (example : I know a Te-dom who will actively look for official information about you -what you do in life / did you lie about what you did in life-, to basically label you "trash" or "good person". On the other side, she's extremely morally principled. Ti-dom/aux, on the other side is more accepting of any kind of answer, but it strongly lacks what one would call 'a moral compass'. Again, those are extreme.)
    @Cobble - Since both of you are now conversing about this example, i just want to correct that from my perspective and experience with EXFP's and IXFP's, it sounds like tertiary or inferior Te because the moral judgment isn't the one being suppressed, but rather the information gained isn't being used to suppress the snap judgment.

    Think IXFP or EXFP. Te-dom or aux will not make snap moral judgments about someone else like that.

    Ti is more about information for information sake. Negative Fi-Te from my experience tends to weaponize information (hence the "mean girls" trope), meanwhile negative Ti-Fe (or even Fe-Ti) contemplates and uses it to manipulate the person himself/herself.
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