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This is a discussion on Ask an ESTP... anything... within the ESTP Forum - The Doers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; Originally Posted by grumpytiger Eh I don't remember at all if we had any conflict or I'd not have quoted ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    Eh I don't remember at all if we had any conflict or I'd not have quoted you. : p Thanks for the response, makes sense tho it's the details I was interested in lol, but I understand it if you don't remember.
    Me either. Maybe you just annoyed me. I tend to block for just that. I am sure you do understand.


    @Jawz should know this song well.

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    What makes you like or appreciate or respect someone on a platonic level?

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    Illusion I guess if I fall for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamPB View Post
    Yea. Important to always see the positive side of a given situation.
    A good example is that most things makes you an experience richer.

    -Albert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindowLicker View Post
    What makes you like or appreciate or respect someone on a platonic level?
    It's not like it's codified. It's not like I have a list and wait to see someone do something I like or respect and tick the box and decide they're alright. If I enjoy hanging out with them is the foundation for friendship.

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    Do you guys ever regret losing friends because of misunderstandings?
    How would you feel/think about a friend cutting you out of their life because they felt betrayed for something you did ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterSweet Blonde View Post
    Do you guys ever regret losing friends because of misunderstandings?
    How would you feel/think about a friend cutting you out of their life because they felt betrayed for something you did ?
    That depends. I did I actually betray them or do they just feel like I betrayed them? I can't control how other people react. I will apologize if I know I did something wrong and if that isn't good enough and they cut me off, I would regret losing them over something that was my fault. But if I didn't do anything wrong and they've decided to feel betrayed, that's on them. It's disappointing, but that's a lot easier to get over and move on. I'm responsible for my actions but I'm not responsible for other peoples feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roslyn View Post
    That depends. I did I actually betray them or do they just feel like I betrayed them? I can't control how other people react. I will apologize if I know I did something wrong and if that isn't good enough and they cut me off, I would regret losing them over something that was my fault. But if I didn't do anything wrong and they've decided to feel betrayed, that's on them. It's disappointing, but that's a lot easier to get over and move on. I'm responsible for my actions but I'm not responsible for other peoples feelings.
    I think most people, regardless of type, would agree. I know I do, and I'm an NP.

    -Albert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roslyn View Post
    That depends. I did I actually betray them or do they just feel like I betrayed them? I can't control how other people react. I will apologize if I know I did something wrong and if that isn't good enough and they cut me off, I would regret losing them over something that was my fault. But if I didn't do anything wrong and they've decided to feel betrayed, that's on them. It's disappointing, but that's a lot easier to get over and move on. I'm responsible for my actions but I'm not responsible for other peoples feelings.
    Thanks for answering. More like the person betrayed someone objectively and everyone agrees on it, but denies it and acts as being innocent while lying to people and most of all deforming facts. Which also contributed to being cut off.

    Another question: Is it a sign of an unhealthy ESTP to lie and deform facts instead of assuming the responsibility of their actions in order to not get a bad reputation with other people?

    I first told myself that person could really not see what he did wrong, what would have eventually been forgiven because it would have been unintentional. But he knew things he then acted like he was ignorant of and told people another version than what actually happened, so it looks more like manipulation and being unwilling to question himself to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterSweet Blonde View Post
    Thanks for answering. More like the person betrayed someone objectively and everyone agrees on it, but denies it and acts as being innocent while lying to people and most of all deforming facts. Which also contributed to being cut off.

    Another question: Is it a sign of an unhealthy ESTP to lie and deform facts instead of assuming the responsibility of their actions in order to not get a bad reputation with other people?

    I first told myself that person could really not see what he did wrong, what would have eventually been forgiven because it would have been unintentional. But he knew things he then acted like he was ignorant of and told people another version than what actually happened, so it looks more like manipulation and being unwilling to question himself to me.
    I can't speak for other ESTP. I like to think I'm the sort of person that accepts responsibility when I'm wrong and apologizes. Not that I have a similar personality to Worf from ST but here:


    But real life isn't always that simple. Miscommunications happen and people don't always see the world the same way. Or some people have been trained in 'cover-your-ass' culture, where admitting fault will get the pants sued off you and it's carried over to other parts of their lives and how they parent. Some people are compulsive liars. I can't tell you what the story was behind the ESTP in your life. There's a long list of possibilities. Obviously it upset and bothered you, but I wouldn't count on the ESTP feeling any responsibility for what happened if they haven't apologized and accepted responsibility. Either they don't care about you or they sincerely don't believe they have done anything wrong. If your criticism had the effect you were hoping for, it would have happened by now. Se-dom's are the kind of people to beat ourselves up over our choices. If we're smart, we learn from them and if we aren't, we keep repeating them indefinitely until we learn or destroy ourselves.


     
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