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This is a discussion on Why do ESTP's get hated on the most? within the ESTP Forum - The Doers forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; @ themartyparade You can tell by body language and behaviour what they think/feel about/towards you in a situation and in ...

  1. #31
    ESTP - The Doers

    @themartyparade
    You can tell by body language and behaviour what they think/feel about/towards you in a situation and in general how they are towards you. But you can't tell what they tell ABOUT you to other people, as @pericles said.

    This may sound weird, so it was for me and I was pissed about it when I first encountered such a thing. In fact I was not pissed about that they made me demonic person in other's minds, but that they weren't able to tell straightfoward to me what their problem is.

    and sadly marty, there are people who you can't just avoid. Co-workers, school mates, close family. You may decrease contact to minimum but they will remain and BS about you behind ur back.

  2. #32
    ESTP - The Doers

    Quote Originally Posted by Adventure View Post
    @themartyparade
    You can tell by body language and behaviour what they think/feel about/towards you in a situation and in general how they are towards you. But you can't tell what they tell ABOUT you to other people, as @pericles said.

    This may sound weird, so it was for me and I was pissed about it when I first encountered such a thing. In fact I was not pissed about that they made me demonic person in other's minds, but that they weren't able to tell straightfoward to me what their problem is.

    and sadly marty, there are people who you can't just avoid. Co-workers, school mates, close family. You may decrease contact to minimum but they will remain and BS about you behind ur back.
    It's still pretty easy to tell though. If someone doesn't like something about you, chances are that's what they're gonna trashtalk about behind your back if they're that kind of person.

    Eg, in school we often have debates and this one time we were discussing wealth and how it affects people. This very narrow-minded girl in my class argues that everyone who's rich is a spoiled brat who only cares about his/her money. I argued against this and said that's all we hear about rich people but the majority probably aren't like that. She found my counter-arguments very annoying and I saw how frustrated she was. As she is a person who often trashtalks other people I find it safe to say that after that class she probably spilled out a lot of crap about me to her friends, "Marty is so annoying, why does she always have to argue? Why does she always think she's right?"

    Pericles doesn't perceive his cousin to be that way but those people do and that's what they talk about. People who like putting people down and who think you don't fit their box of how people should be will twist your words and actions into something they're not. A confident person will be arrogant in this persons eyes and a person who stands up for his/her beliefs turns into a knowitall.

    I know what people say about me and it doesn't bother me. Sometimes sure, it would be nice to know exactly what they're thinking and have them say it to my face but I know they're just projecting their insecurities and narrow-mindedness on me and honestly, I just feel bad for them 'cause it can't be funny to be that kind of person.
    Last edited by themartyparade; 01-14-2012 at 05:02 PM. Reason: i should proof-read before i post, lol

  3. #33
    ESTP - The Doers

    People who watch and believe bill o riley hate estps

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  5. #34
    ESTP - The Doers

    @Marty

    In this example sure, especially if you know already that this particular girl bs behind other ppls back often.

    I don't see anything I do as harmful to others, as long as they don't tell me they have problem. Some time ago one of my 'better acquaintances' (wouldn't call him a friend) told me 'in secret' that some people in class are pissed off by me, when I asked him what about he said I should know my self and I lol'd. Asked him who those people are, so I can settle any problems they might have with me, but he refused to tell. Asked him why would they not say their problems so we can settle, he told me that 'they don't want any trouble on them selfs' and I totally lold but get angry in same time.
    So they think they don't make any problems because they seem like they have no problem, but conspire behind back...? I didn't see logic in it and honestly I still don't.

    it's not that it bothers me, if someone is intimidated by me or don't want to be friends, it's their loss. What concerns me is stupidity of their social reasoning lol

  6. #35

    People hate us? Nonsense. I was too busy to notice.

  7. #36

    same thread was on ENTP forum - why do ENTPs are the most hated type?
    but if ESTPs wanna be the most hated - ill be glad to give them that title

  8. #37
    ESTP - The Doers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lev View Post
    Anyone who has challenged an ESTP and lost or is contemplating such a thing, hates them.
    If we are widely hated, then there's the success rate.
    Amen, Lev. When I argue, I bring my sensing and fact. What I don't give a damn about is tradition, the powers that be, or people's feelings.

    As far as people hating us, it says a helluva lot more about them than us. We aren't control freaks like ENTJs or ESTJs, nit picky like the NFJs and ISTJs, nor smart asses like the ENTPs. The thing that pisses people off the most about us is that we speak the truth and don't care sometimes that it hurts people's feelings or conflicts with authority and/or the status quo. They are angry off more often than not because we are usually right.

    The other thing that bugs others about us is that they are jealous that we are laid back and not afraid. Has anybody else noticed some types manipulating other types based on pointless fear? It seems like some days I spend 90% of my time telling other types that something that they are worried about isn't worth worrying about it. There was a Freakonomics podcast I listened to on this subject.

    Look at the facts on say murder. You are more likely to be killed by someone you know than some stranger and more importantly, YOU are twice as likely to kill yourself than someone else, i.e. suicide is twice as common as murder. Still, I see people cowering in fear from black strangers. Sigh.

    I have been to Mexican border towns dozens of times in the last four years, and people ask me if I have been scared, and I tell them sure but not by what they think. When I traveled to Mexico, I have been threatened, molested, humiliated, and mistreated by people in power. However it is not the Mexicans but at the hands of Americans in the border patrol and TSA when I return. Everyone in Mexico I have ever met has been respectful and pleasant.
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  9. #38
    ENFJ - The Givers

    OP, SHUT YOUR MOUTH / SMASH HEAD ON KEYBOARD

    I have a top three of preferred types with whom I love to interact with most: other INFPs, ESTPs, and INTJs!
    ESTPs fill me with energy when they're around me, they are spontaneous, interesting, always in for some fun, charming, easy to read (what emotions are swirling inside that is) and most of all they are quite able to bash those kind of silly I-want-everything-done-safely and 'OH GOD NOT NOTHING NEW ;_;' ISTJs.

    I've started a new 'project' in my head which concerns ESTPs. I wish to become 'besties' with an ESTP and see how their inner emotional life is like. I hope you guys don't stack shit up like ISFJs and ESFJs can do so good.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Adventure View Post
    @themartyparade
    You can tell by body language and behaviour what they think/feel about/towards you in a situation and in general how they are towards you. But you can't tell what they tell ABOUT you to other people, as @pericles said.

    This may sound weird, so it was for me and I was pissed about it when I first encountered such a thing. In fact I was not pissed about that they made me demonic person in other's minds, but that they weren't able to tell straightfoward to me what their problem is.

    and sadly marty, there are people who you can't just avoid. Co-workers, school mates, close family. You may decrease contact to minimum but they will remain and BS about you behind ur back.
    I have two general issues with the ESTPs that I have known. I have known 4-5 in my life, and I have known them very well (some are family).
    The first is that you all like to antagonize others with joking remarks (banter). This in and of itself is fine, and very often you really are just joking. The thing is, from my experience, when an ESTP gets really down for whatever reason, then these comments are no longer really "jokes". They're actually passive-aggressive snipes that are being hidden behind the veil of a joke. In making them, the ESTP in question is actually hoping that the other person will take the bait and argue with them so that they can vent some of that pent-up aggression. What is not being considered here is the fact that the other person likely doesn't want to be brought down by the ESTPs mood in that way, and feels as though they're being bullied.
    The other thing is that, as an INTJ Type 8, I have little issue telling a person if I have a problem with them. If I care about said person, I'll even do so diplomatically. The issue with the ESTPs that I have encountered though is that nearly every time that I actually bring up a problem the interaction goes like this: the ESTP just gets angry, doesn't listen, doles out some variation of the, "I'm not wrong, you're just jealous!" thing, and nothing gets solved. It's irritating. The fact that the ESTP could ACTUALLY have done something wrong is never even considered by the ESTP.

    Disclaimer: Not saying that all ESTPs are like this.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    What? You guys are awesome.


     
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