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    For some reason I am not capable of coming up with a list of general guidelines, I mean kinda know what they are but for some reason can't do it at all lol, wonder if it could be Te PoLR related or something? It's also hard to make things...idk, objective, hard to explain, feel like it's related to my personality/cognition in some way, I either wanna say what I said in that thread or go into overly personal things immediately.

    The worst way to start a conversation but just woke up and that's what's on my mind.


    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by Nissa
    Vixey you should just make that thread, sounds perfectly fine lol, not this horrible questiony diamonds thread though
    I kinda like them, they are mysterious, idk if that's how it actually works but every time I see them somewhere I assume someone's using emojis that my phone doesn't support and I get so curious and it makes the person seem so cool and like they have an iPhone))

    (is this what ISFJs think makes a person cool?)
    Last edited by Darkbloom; 07-16-2018 at 02:11 AM.

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    Got an infraction for advertising Netherlands :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vixey View Post
    For some reason I am not capable of coming up with a list of general guidelines, I mean kinda know what they are but for some reason can't do it at all lol, wonder if it could be Te PoLR related or something? It's also hard to make things...idk, objective, hard to explain, feel like it's related to my personality/cognition in some way, I either wanna say what I said in that thread or go into overly personal things immediately.
    I found it really difficult too, definitely felt like I needed more bullet points (they were originally ladybug points :()but that objective tone does seem to come fairly naturally to me (annoys me a bit though, don't really like how my first post sounds, but hopefully no one will pay too much attention to it) I definitely think it could be related to Te, maybe social too?

    I think in general high social is fairly good at consolidating things for people, I mean it's not something I've actively noticed but it makes sense?

    (Don't have a really clever topic at hand to get this thread off to a good start; you should mention people and make them post here I mean they probably won't come but :/)

    I kinda like them, they are mysterious, idk if that's how it actually works but every time I see them somewhere I assume someone's using emojis that my phone doesn't support and I get so curious and it makes the person seem so cool and like they have an iPhone))

    (is this what ISFJs think makes a person cool?)
    haha that's funny, they annoy me a lot :D (And I think what happened is that I tried to edit and that ruined them forever)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vixey View Post
    Got an infraction for advertising Netherlands :/
    As everyone knows the Dutch tourism board is very desperate

    (you really got infracted a lot today )

    edit: @Vixey thanks, now it's overcrowded)
    Think I'm bad at Si, at least thread-decorating related Si)))
    Last edited by Dangerose; 07-17-2018 at 01:07 AM. Reason: idek
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    @Nissa Nissa no time atm but you can still add emojis, just not in 'quick reply/edit' thing (they turn to questiony diamonds if you do that)
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    That's adorable, I love the little ladybugs and the whole theme feels really bright and welcoming
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    This table feels fairly helpful:

    http://www.sociotype.com/images/soci...del-A-Grid.jpg

    (thinking about that 'we use vital track online', not sure if/how that applies to me though)
    I like these little descriptions, running through to see how it applies keeping types ESFJ, ENFP, and ENFJ in mind:

    Dominant: Source of confidence, how someone lives their life, most comfortable state of mind, personal motivation in life

    Fe: I do tend to see Fe as my default, but it's really really confusing for me what Fe actually is, what I mean is that I live in a very personified world, care more about emotional energy than anything else, not sure if I'm actually confident with it though

    Ne: Not sure, doesn't necessarily feel like 'how I live my life', but in a way it is, I mean I'm constantly finding new things to do, starting new projects, etc., but idk, this is kinda like the difference between 2 and 7 core for me

    Creative: Used to interact with others, feels needed when used to help solve others' problems, overuse by others can cause irritation


    Si: definitely use it to interact with others but most people in my experience love to talk about Si, and I definitely feel like I'm passively rather than actively Si in these instances (i.e. they start off the conversation with 'this food is great' and I keep talking about it but I'm rarely there first, on the other hand I'm constantly talking about a new place like 'the nature is so beautiful' and I feel like people are always '') Not sure I use Si to solve other people's problems, maybe a bit more from tradition/copying my mother/having read something in a book; like if someone's upset I'll make tea for them but I don't tend to think of like 'oh maybe oranges would make them happier' or fixing Si problems in general
    Overuse does annoy me

    Ni: I don't know what it means to use Ni to interact, I don't know what topics of conversation are supposed to be Ni-ish, so probably not, don't think I'm constantly having conversations about predicting the future, not sure how often that can come up though...don't think I solve other people's problems with Ni either, more likely to give advice about Ni-ish things rather than Si-ish things, and often lecture people about time but mostly like 'you have to do this now or you never will', I've never been annoyed by overuse of Ni but I've also never seen overuse of Ni, not sure I've ever actually seen use of Ni irl

    Fi: Well it's confusing because Fi is about connections between people yeah?? but I think I use it to interact, and definitely often discuss things like closeness, likes and dislikes, not very satisfied with a conversation if it never gets there. Obviously often try to give relationship advice and such but not aware for having any particular talent with it or anything. can annoy me at times, including in myself

    Hidden Agenda: Appreciated, overuse by others can be seen as excessive, may be overindulged or seriously neglected, can cause boredom

    Ne: Not sure, too much 'random' Ne can really grate on me, enjoy a good Ne session but hate feeling of talking to like a five-year-old kid who's making up a game as he goes along which is how it can feel with heavy Ne users, causes confusion more than boredom

    Se: Appreciated, not usually that...don't think I process Se on a very high level, so even if people are overusing it I don't think it comes across as excessive, can bore me (for example I hate war movies)

    Te: Not that appreciated, mostly hate Te, boring and nothing-seeming, but I do sometimes I think do really Te-ish things, like I really enjoy making lists and consolidating information, clarifying things, otherwise probably super neglected

    Suggestive: Entertaining, soothing, energizing, leads to self-actualization, deficiency causes attempts to self-supply


    Ti: Don't associate anything Tish with being entertaining, soothing, or energizing, but I do try to be more intelligent and study and such, study a lot or spend a lot of time trying to study, not sure if studying is Ti but that's how I tend to think of it, mostly think of it as draining but good for me

    Si: Think of it as semi-draining, but I think I can see this fitting in general, something I am often tempted to work on and am pleased with the results, for example decided to put a lot of tea lights in my room because I read that it could cause hygge and I thought I'd pretend I was embracing the concept of hygge for an hour at night, it looks really nice and creates a magical atmosphere, so I'm quite proud of myself

    Ignoring: Constantly annoying, mostly used in private, can be summoned when needed, causes boredom, avoidance makes it appear weak

    Fi: Do tend to perceive Fi as annoying, get annoyed with myself when I've said something in a really Fi way (but I might mean MBTI self-righteous Fi), don't think I have a Fi deficit but I'm not sure if I come off really strongly Fi, think I generally hide my Fi conclusions, mostly because most Fi feels private and like information that shouldn't necessarily be in the open air
    don't think of it as boring though, sometimes too obvious to talk about, pet peeve of mine when people talk about basic Fi things like it's a revelation

    Ni: I am not aware of people using Ni enough to know if it would be annoying, not sure if I can summon it, no one on here ever confirms if something I've written or whatever is Ni or not, could be the things I think are Ni are not, don't think of my Ni as bad though the way I think about Ni

    Demonstrative: Used often in private, often made fun of, important to worldview, often viewed as obvious information

    Se: would say I use it in private? don't think I make fun of it, or that it's very important to my worldview, could be but idk, doesn't ever come across as obvious, Se-related sayings, inspirational quotes, whatever, always feel like new information for me even when they are clichés even I am familiar with, even just something like 'faint heart never won fair maid' always seems like 'oh such fresh wisdom!' and I think about it for a long time every time I hear about it

    Ne: Probably often used in private?? and I think I can make fun of it, too much Ne seems stupid to me so I might occasionally satirize, not that often though, probably pretty central to my worldview, not sure if it seems 'obvious', I know it always feels dumb when people say like 'oh but you could look at it from a different perspective!' as if that was a brand new idea, or that's the answer to everything, causes some people to think I'm really closed-minded/against looking at things from different perspectives because I get so annoyed with that

    Fe: Probably used in private, and public, not sure if I ever make fun of it, can see it coming up but can't remember a time it happened, fairly important to my worldview if I know what that means, think it comes across as obvious-ish to me but not usually offensively, think it's always interesting me to talk about Fe even if it was obvious, like not sure if it's exactly Fe but if I watch a series and there's a good series I'll often pause it at each frame (or like where my computer lets me stop it) to catch every little change in body language, facial expression, everything, want to milk every bit of emotional expression out of the scene

    PoLR: Usage causes extreme irritation, avoided as much as possible, has to be developed by personal experiences, often ignored


    Ni: Not sure enough what Ni is to know if it causes extreme irritation, don't think I avoid it but I don't for example much enjoy goals, think it's ignored-ish but not sure what it's supposed to look like in the real world

    Si: Many Si things cause me extreme irritation, I've talked about it a million times, thinking about my body/bodies in general is pretty horrifying to me, hate even typing the word 'body' but I don't necessarily avoid it like mad, will start Si projects, like 'let me find the best chocolate in Germany' (and I made up a rating system), don't have a lot of patience with it though, think I do ignore it a lot though, for example it's hot right now and everyone around keeps talking about it and playing window games to get the right level of heat, avoiding going out in hottest part of day, legitimately barely notice it though, I mean of course I know it's hot but it's not something I think about, nothing I do is affected by it, think Si information is something I process enough to be able to answer questions about but not enough to ask questions about (including to myself)

    Ti: Don't think I like Ti or any T thing, when people try to clarify the exact definition of something it can annoy me, I'm very likely to use a slightly wrong but not crazily wrong word, hate when I'm like 'so there's a boat there' and someone's like 'actually it's a ship', actually often will just say 'the thing' and want to strangle people if they cut in to explain actually it's a thingamajig, this information is so worthless to me, will use vague terms just to show people I don't give a fuck what they actually are, but this comes up very rarely really, do think I'm a bit crippled by not really understanding differences in different philosophies/theological/political things, don't care though usually

    Role: Perceived as personal weakness, sometimes makes hard attempts to improve, criticism causes irritation, activated when anxious

    Te: Yes, definitely personal weakness (other people would say so too I think), I'm the most unorganized person in the world (I know that's not really what Te is) and sometimes I make hard attempts to improve, mostly involves making lists, don't like being criticized for it (but that's true for anything lol), probably am a bit more Te-ish when nervous, not sure tho

    Se: Don't specifically think of it as personal weakness, never actively try to improve it unless just telling myself all the time to 'seize the day', but it's not part of my self-improvement schemes, just feel like I end up missing out, don't know how someone would criticize my Se, definitely feel proud of myself when people compliment my Se though including if they think they are complaining about it, not sure if I'm more Se-ish when anxious, I associate Se with anger

    ___________

    was listening to this song earlier:



    Really like it, especially these two parts:

    Oh there's many that feign enjoyment
    For merciless employment
    Their ambition was this deployment
    Since the minute they left the school
    They save and scrape and ponder

    While the rest go out and squander
    See the world, and rove and wander,
    And they're happier as a rule.


    Bolded is what I associate with Ni the way people talk about it with the goals and achievement, seems so...pointless

    and:

    If you're bent with arthiritis
    Your bowels have got colitis
    You have galloping bollockitis
    And you're thinking it's time you died
    You've been a man of action
    Tho you're lying there in traction
    You may gain some satisfaction
    Saying "Jesus, at least I tried!"


    Feels Se-ish, guess it's inspiring/makes me smile (in my head I associate it with the 'there are men of over ninety who have never yet kissed a girl' so it sounds to me about idk courting), think it's a good message for me? but I don't know how to explain

    (also just like 'together we'll face the world', I love songs with that message, probably more for Enneagramy reasons than Socionics ones)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nissa Nissa
    maybe social too?

    I think in general high social is fairly good at consolidating things for people, I mean it's not something I've actively noticed but it makes sense?
    Yes I think it's somewhat related to social, although might be having a specific kind of social person in mind, I feel like my energy can have an extinguishing effect when I try to do the opposite and the way I say things doesn't make many people feel desire to join the conversation, like I can't really...make people want to join conversations, they have to be interested in me or really interested in conversation.
    Or like remember you and Slime talking about that quote, about making people love the sea and his interpretation of it, can't do that kind of thing at all, even on small scale I can only mobilize people if they care about me for me and our relationship or maybe I could if they were scared of me but other than that not at all, if that makes sense?

    (Don't have a really clever topic at hand to get this thread off to a good start; you should mention people and make them post here I mean they probably won't come but :/)
    What people?



    Where did that video with that guy disappear?




    Also gonna do the thing a bit later.
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    @Aiwass curious why Ne valuing?

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    Hate certain kind of Ne, like mom's showing me those images that look idk like for example looks like a woman with a really hairy arm but it's actually some guy's leg, so annoying to me, I mean the thing is often look at those things when I see them and find them mildly amusing but I see how insignificant they are when someone else goes out of their way to show them to me, don't even know how to react, always fake laugh out of politeness a bit but purposely feel the need to make it look fake so they'd fucking stop getting me to stop doing what I'm doing to look at it every 5 seconds
    Feel so mean but :/
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