This is a discussion on I am a Men's Rights Activist , AMA within the General Chat forums, part of the The Cafe Lounge category; Originally Posted by Blue Sphere Women for whatever reason, gets less punishment for the same crime as men. Why do ...
There are not enough to make it a serious "men's issue".
As I pointed out with your example about death in the work place, many issues that men face ( and they do) are not actually "Men's issues" but societal problems in general.
But it seems that a lot of MRA's are too busy trying to compete with femminists over who has it worse rather than do something about the real problems they do face and solve.
No, femminists do not want "Supremacy".
Now be advised that while there are many sources here, I intentionally ignored many of the sources I came across that has numbers supporting the general public views on this matter. The reason for that is most of them include uneducated buzz words like "race" (what day and age is it?) or "domestic violence" (that is used specifically to refer to violence towards female but excluding males) etc, or are enforcing an agenda that is already over presented in the media making it kinda redundant to read.
You already know about their arguments anyway so it would be pointless to just read the same thing over and over, so I am posting this with the purpose of countering the general conscience on the matter and providing countering sources that are backed up rather reasonably.
Men Sentenced To Longer Prison Terms Than Women For Same Crimes, Study Says
60% more sentence mind you. The reason for that is because the law to some degrees still handle women as if they're kids who need extra protection as they don't know any better, which is obviously false.
But you don't ever see feminists asking for equal sentence on women for the same crime don't you?
One in Three Campaign - Family Violence - Australia Says No!
More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals | Society | The Guardian
What about men? Lies, statistics . . . and peddling myths about violence against women | The Citizen
Stereotype at its finest. It's indeed true that males are abused less than females, but to say that they don't exist or have vastly smaller number when compared to women is talking nonsense.
Single fathers: UK statistics | News | The Guardian
Then there is this:
Dispelling The Myth Of Gender Bias In The Family Court System¬*|¬*Cathy Meyer
So I guess in this one, we can sort of leave it open believe what we will.
Why are men more likely than women to take their own lives? | Science | The Guardian
Australia's suicide rate drops but males four times more likely to suicide than females - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Number of suicides in UK increases, with male rate highest since 2001 | Society | The Guardian
I think I need to elaborate on this one a little. You're right about females using averagely less fatal method to suicide averagely (please be advised that males and females in some places do both choose lethal methods as their primary choice, but we're strictly talking about AVERAGE here), however the INTENT is different in the first place.
Males suicide with the full intention to die, females attempts suicide to be saved. Most female "suicides" are strictly categorised as "self harm" because they aren't actually doing it to end themselves. But if we solely count the people who suicides with the full purpose to never wake up again, the gender suicide disparity would be even greater but I guess media outlet wants to make a point but not be too inconvenient so they include the self harms to make it seem just a little more even.
The reason for a phenomenon like this is gender roles' pressure. Some may write a few things about it, but how much is actually done? If they truly believe the harmony between 2 genders there should have been a big campaign, or even several, by now. I don't see it.
Why Are Men More Likely To Be Homeless? -
Homelessness is a gendered issue, and it mostly impacts men - Telegraph
What age, where, and how many: The data on homelessness in Ireland
1 thing to note that women are more likely to turn to prostitution ie, "survival sex" to get it going, while males aren't, because male prostitution is both looked down a lot and low in demand anyway.
Also the internet is full of article trying to twist the stats, because a HUGE deal of them aren't really trying to address homelessness but to use it as a bridge to connect somewhere else like the famous argument "domestic violence". Do ignore those when trying to find fairer articles that is actually about either homelessness or the gender aspect of it.
Men die earlier but women's health gets four times more funding
Cancer Research - Women Receiving More Funding Than Men
It's rather hard to find articles on this because I had troubles locating the ones I had read, and when you search for the topic all you see is peeps arguing that females shouldn't pay for more health insurance when they use way more medical resources than men, but whatever I am not really talking about that here. But what I will say is:
Mars vs. Venus: The gender gap in health - Harvard Health
The "Medical care" sub-section of this article briefly explains why females use more medical resources than men, because of again, gender roles and expectations. Females are more likely to seek help, while men would be waiting it out until it's too late. And there is way too less coverage that tells men to seek help, much like almost any other case that is connected to well-beings.
Now here is the twist, there is this article:
Why does breast cancer research receive more research funding than prostate cancer? | Katatrepsis
It's about trying to rationalise why females are given a multiple times the health fund than male, the writer argues that is because females are more likely to die when younger and that pretty much warrants the absurd fund gap between male and female, even though the male total death count is definitely not less than female's with everything considered.
I never heard feminists argue that genders should stop being mentioned in the news altogether, especially with the victim mentioning, because they're too busy saying females are weak and deserve special kid gloves themselves anyway.
Well because dangerous job is too risky for the weak women but it's less of a trouble when it comes to men right? Or is it that females are inherently worth more than males in terms of their values, so a few men dying is no big deal?
No matter how you look at it, it's gender stereotypes all over again. Notice that you said "women are being encouraged to pursue these more physical and dangerous jobs", again same deal, it's an option to put their life on the line if women so desire, not so much when we're dealing with males because they are still expected to feed themselves and their families so poor men have no choice but to throw themselves into the fray and hopes it all works out.
And yes it's indeed true that some working conditions are outright garbage, but it can't be helped, because as I said in some other post here, some industry simply can't afford to give their workers better condition. Which is why most of the dangerous jobs are about dealing with or harvesting basic raw materials, not to mention being in a poorer country helps the run down working environment too. It's a problem with the current model of capitalism but there is still gender issues associated with all of this.
69,000 female, 9,000 male rape victims per year visualised: get the full data | News | The Guardian
That 'Only 2 to 8 Percent of Rape Accusations Are False' Stat Is Extremely Misleading | National Review Online
Remember that the both the convicted rate and the proved false report rates are all of small percentages, rest are dwelling in the not sure area where there just isn't enough evidence to support either. Media just has the tendency to consider all and every non-concrete case as concluded rape case where the suspect is indeed guilty.
And that's not fair at all.
It's really not news anymore to have male rape cases ignore or not acknowledged.
The very first sentence of his government website says "Under the common law, rape was defined as carnal knowledge of a woman against her will and was subject to narrow and restrictive definitions of ‘sexual intercourse’." I am getting rather tired of searching by this point so I just skimmed through it, but the theme is common.
A rape is defined to require penetration on the female, or penetration as a whole. I can't see how that is fair in terms of its definitions at all.
Can have a look there:
The general rule of thumb for rape defied by the FBI is that:
“Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
In other words, if a man gets drugged, tied up and forced connect his genital with hers, in this case, the law does not recognise that the women did in fact rape the man without his consent. Because it's defined by "whether there is forced penetration", not "whether there is forced sex activities".
Then these articles below are the ones that either wraps up everything up, or are just some that I don't know where to put.
The other gender divide: where men are losing out | News | The Guardian
One in Three Campaign - Male Victims of Family Violence
Suicide and silence: why depressed men are dying for somebody to talk to | Society | The Guardian
A letter to ‚€¶ the girl who accused me of rape when I was 15 | Life and style | The Guardian
Now you have a lot of readings to do, get started.
If there is really a gender equality movement, there shouldn't even be this amount of rubbish running around and NEVER gets public notice for some godly reason. It's about darn time we start realising and fixing male specific issues too instead of turning a blind eye to it like we're doing now.
Last edited by Blue Sphere; 11-12-2015 at 01:31 AM.
And to answer it you don't have to know someone to whom this has happened, you just have to know of someone to whom this has happened.
Any group is the sum of its indiviuals. And since this problem is so widespread as you said, then shouldn't there be ample examples?
I'm asking for such an example.
A letter to ‚€¶ the girl who accused me of rape when I was 15 | Life and style | The Guardian
Please bear in mind that since the topic is very under reported by the news programs so it's rather hard to locate singular cases by default. But there are stats.
I don't want to hear it.
There are so many things that these men could do to help their own communities but I don't see any of that. I just see complaining.
And as I'm writing this I can see below that you did not cite evidence which specifically does not agree with you, and there is a lot.
Reading any more from you would be an immense waste of my time.
Last edited by Fumetsu; 11-12-2015 at 10:23 AM.
"If anything ail a man, so that he does not perform his functions, if he have a pain in his bowels even … he forthwith sets about reforming—the world.” Thoreau
(blaiming their own shortcomings on the world)
When I hear the word 'activism', the question I always wonder is:
Are you actually doing something to change things or are you just talking about it?