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This is a discussion on Are Spiritual Awakenings Actually Psychotic Episode's? within the General Psychology forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by Kintsugi There is a lot that western psychology does not understand. There are many practitioners of psychology, ...

  1. #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Kintsugi View Post
    There is a lot that western psychology does not understand. There are many practitioners of psychology, psychotherapy and counselling that understand this.

    they just do not have a solid "framework" to work from. Simply put, there is no "framework" they can present that will hold up to rigorous testing

    I'll be honest. For me, Us Western humans strayed of path in the late 1800s, early 1900s. This is a time that what many practitioners will recognise what I call the "pathology of unhappiness".

    To feel sad, angry or upset was suddenly "abnormal". IT was a "malfunction of the psyche".

    You may be surprised to hear that, despite Freud's, contribution to this "general malaise", and deeper explorations into the nature of "things", that he stopped. Abruptly.

    Carl Jung took up that torch but there was so much resting on his shoulders.

    The rest history?

    I don't believe so.

    Never.

    Find your heart <3

    Accept every aspect of YOU. No matter how hard it is.

    I will stop here. But please, do not hand your power over to some Guru.

    You're okay :)
    Western psychology is entirely fossilized left brained thinking that isn't natural at all as the proof is in the podding so to say with all the issues in the society today.

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    I don't know if I answered this before, but a good rule of thumb is to follow is 1) make sure it's not egotistical, if someone is sure they are a completely enlightened guru after an acid trip, you can be pretty sure they aren't and 2) is their behavior ethical because someone claiming God told them to murder people, or even drink raw animal blood is fucking dangerous. There's no shortcut to enlightenment. You could have a breakthrough on drugs but if you imagine you are the Dalai Llama after eating some mushrooms it's more likely that you are an arrogant and delusional piece of shit.

  3. #63

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustanddawnzone View Post
    Schizophrenic voices differ depending on culture and can even give positive voices in some: https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/...nn-071614.html
    So, in tribal culture ,especially, one may have some sort of spiritual experience from the psychosis itself though this would be unlikely in the West. There's another concept in psychology known which is commonly referred to as "ah ha moment" whereby one comes to a sudden realization. Such moments are believed to occurred due to new connections being made among multiple neurons in a quick manner so as to allow for a point of view to be taken by the brain. Spiritual awakenings may, then, also be caused by an extreme ah ha moment where was entire view of the world is momentarily shifted.
    In Western culture I'm fairly certain an experience should be compared to objective data. I believe I became vegan through a spiritual experience, but what actually gave this a foundation was the presence of vegetarianism or veganism in almost every continually existing world religion, from Judaism to Jains (there were even at least two vegetarian Native American tribes, and even some who ate meat still comprehend vegan tenants better than the average white American, and used terms like animal rights). Finally there was a scientific foundation for it through the stress animal agriculture puts on the environment, equal to or worse than fossil fuels when all things are considered.

    I think people who don't do comparison to world religions and or science, and just claim all things are good or permissible as long as it feels good, that person is an asshole, and possibly should be sent to rehab or maybe just college. I have strong opinions on the tendency of white Western people to say things are moral as long as it feels good. This is completely and utterly narcissistic magical thinking.

  4. #64

    Quote Originally Posted by The Edwardian Spirit View Post
    Western psychology is entirely fossilized left brained thinking that isn't natural at all as the proof is in the podding so to say with all the issues in the society today.
    It's pudding :D

    And Nvm about the rest. I rambled
    Last edited by Kintsugi; 07-20-2019 at 09:13 AM.

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    Not always. Some "awakenings" can occur under the influence of psychedelic drugs.


     
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