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This is a discussion on Bypassing lack of willingness to take action within the General Psychology forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by Biracial Id like to test this on myself. I can pretty much remove myself from reality. In ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biracial View Post
    Id like to test this on myself. I can pretty much remove myself from reality. In this state I ignore or become numb to crisis. I'm unwilling to deal with shit. Basically, living in an indecision loop. So, if I'm in this mindset how can I be with anxiety or whatever? I dont fully understand what's triggering the decider state.
    What is triggering Decider state is accomplishment of the act of being with your internal world while defining what needs to be done.

    As for being with anxiety or whatever, when you are really being, you are desire-less, you don't have wanting and not-wanting, you are perfectly fine with everything, including anxiety. That's why it is called being, you are like a plant, free from desires, you are just being. Therefore, the only answer to the question "How to be with anxiety or whatever?" is you just be with anxiety or whatever.

    By the way, tomorrow I will make a blog post on my Personality Cafe blog about being and desiring and how they relate together.
    Last edited by AW10; 09-29-2014 at 05:45 PM.
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    Maybe get out of the dualistic trap that inner and outer worlds are separate?

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    All I can say is a lack of motivation is probably one of the best things that's ever happened to me multiple times. If I had the willpower to commit with past plans of actions, I would still be stuck in them even though now I see them as kind of stupid and pointless.

    I have no problem with going the organic route. I call it living from within, or passion. It's not about forcing yourself or tricking yourself to do things. It's about doing the things you find naturally please you.

    Now, the hard part about that is, it may not be what you think. You may think, because of your conditioning and parents and such, that you should be a certain way and do certain things. Those are the things you'll lack willpower for. Some might say this is the super-ego of Freud. While I don't think you ever totally get rid of the super-ego, it is better to live from the ego. I mean, in Freud's sense of the word.

    Think of it as living from the self vs. living from the Self. The self is your reflection in society, the narcissistic illusion of how you might appear to people and what their vision of success for you is. The Self is that spontaneity within you. A very simple but relevant example is getting out of bed, or sleeping habits in general. These days I simply sleep when I am tired, and I wake up when I'm not (unless I have some obligation). That leads to some awfully weird sleeping habits, but it works for me. Someone living from the self in this case would be trying to sleep in well-defined hours of what they think they should be doing, like sleeping exactly 8 hours or getting up before noon or whatever, even if they are super tired, because of a sense of.. one might say guilt.
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  4. #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Amine View Post
    All I can say is a lack of motivation is probably one of the best things that's ever happened to me multiple times. If I had the willpower to commit with past plans of actions, I would still be stuck in them even though now I see them as kind of stupid and pointless.

    I have no problem with going the organic route. I call it living from within, or passion. It's not about forcing yourself or tricking yourself to do things. It's about doing the things you find naturally please you.

    Now, the hard part about that is, it may not be what you think. You may think, because of your conditioning and parents and such, that you should be a certain way and do certain things. Those are the things you'll lack willpower for. Some might say this is the super-ego of Freud. While I don't think you ever totally get rid of the super-ego, it is better to live from the ego. I mean, in Freud's sense of the word.

    Think of it as living from the self vs. living from the Self. The self is your reflection in society, the narcissistic illusion of how you might appear to people and what their vision of success for you is. The Self is that spontaneity within you. A very simple but relevant example is getting out of bed, or sleeping habits in general. These days I simply sleep when I am tired, and I wake up when I'm not (unless I have some obligation). That leads to some awfully weird sleeping habits, but it works for me. Someone living from the self in this case would be trying to sleep in well-defined hours of what they think they should be doing, like sleeping exactly 8 hours or getting up before noon or whatever, even if they are super tired, because of a sense of.. one might say guilt.
    Good point, but how can we deal with conflict between self and Self? If you are living from the self, you will feel a lack of living from the Self and if you are living from the Self, you will feel a lack of living from the self; mind always finds something that he doesn't see as how it should be. The only way I have found to avoid this conflict, is being state of consciousness and, although it doesn't work well for all people, it works perfectly for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonnaci View Post
    Maybe get out of the dualistic trap that inner and outer worlds are separate?
    I don't think that inner and outer world aren't separate, since we wouldn't feel emotions then; objects draw and invoke emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW10 View Post
    Good point, but how can we deal with conflict between self and Self? If you are living from the self, you will feel a lack of living from the Self and if you are living from the Self, you will feel a lack of living from the self; mind always finds something that he doesn't see as how it should be. The only way I have found to avoid this conflict, is being state of consciousness and, although it doesn't work well for all people, it works perfectly for me.
    Personally I think there is always going to be some amount of effort involved in things. I went through a time where I refused to exert effort to such an extent that I would wait for my limbs to move themselves. It didn't amount to much. Right now it is a question of having the sense of "doing the best I can and no more". I am just not too hard on myself. If I really don't want to do something, I don't do it unless I absolutely have to, like paying bills.
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  7. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Amine View Post
    Personally I think there is always going to be some amount of effort involved in things. I went through a time where I refused to exert effort to such an extent that I would wait for my limbs to move themselves. It didn't amount to much. Right now it is a question of having the sense of "doing the best I can and no more". I am just not too hard on myself. If I really don't want to do something, I don't do it unless I absolutely have to, like paying bills.
    I do sometimes refuse to exert effort to such an extent that I would wait for my limbs to move themselves, but although if I really don't want to do something, I don't do it unless I absolutely have to, like paying bills approach to life has worked almost perfectly for me, it becomes frustrating, because I feel like I have no control over anything. On the other hand, I wonder can you really live like that during your whole life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW10 View Post
    I do sometimes refuse to exert effort to such an extent that I would wait for my limbs to move themselves, but although if I really don't want to do something, I don't do it unless I absolutely have to, like paying bills approach to life has worked almost perfectly for me, it becomes frustrating, because I feel like I have no control over anything. On the other hand, I wonder can you really live like that during your whole life?
    Sure, you can. But your life won't turn out "normal" in any sense of the word. It won't look like it is supposed to look as ordained by culture.

    Personally, though, I think that's a recipe for mediocrity, to follow the beaten path. Myself not following it, I have no idea if I'll ever get married, have kids, etc... maybe, maybe not. What I am seeing, though, is myself developing according to my passion. I've found what I seem to have lasting interest in, and I am getting better and better at it because I like doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amine View Post
    Myself not following it, I have no idea if I'll ever get married, have kids, etc... maybe, maybe not.
    That is also something I have been thinking. Well, I am 20 years old and I have been on only one date in my life and it was disaster. I feel like I would rather end up having only one disastrous date in my life and no sexual experience than making myself do something to make it be different. That is the only thing I am not even thinking about forcing myself to do; I was thinking about forcing myself to do it before, but now my willingness to act on my sexuality is dying.

  10. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by AW10 View Post
    That is also something I have been thinking. Well, I am 20 years old and I have been on only one date in my life and it was disaster. I feel like I would rather end up having only one disastrous date in my life and no sexual experience than making myself do something to make it be different. That is the only thing I am not even thinking about forcing myself to do; I was thinking about forcing myself to do it before, but now my willingness to act on my sexuality is dying.
    Right -- if you force yourself to do what others do, you'll probably get mediocrity at best anyway.

    People are different. One size doesn't fit all.

    Personally I think you'll have a better chance of getting what you want in the end if you follow your Self. Or maybe not. Nothing is guaranteed.

    But hey, in 10 years virtual reality will be on the level of the movie Avatar, and steadily improving. There's always that fun to be had :)
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