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    Generation Y

    Why Gen X start date should be 1960 and not 1961

    On this forum, a lot of people have been disagreeing with boomers end in 1964, but I have also been reading a lot on this forum that they think 1961 is the earliest gen X can be, but I disagree cause 1960 is like 1961-1964. 1959 in my opinion is the youngest boomer. I know Strauss and Howe considers boomers as 1943-1960, but their definitions make no sense if they consider Gen X as 21 years as 1961-1981, and millennials as 1982-2004, which is 23 years, and 2000-2004 is gen z, as 1995-1999 are late millennials with a couple of Z traits only. Most common start dates for X I see are 1960 and 1965, but all I am saying is that 1960-1964 should be part of the same generation.



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    Not many people know about this, but the term "Generation Jones" was coined for those born from the mid-50s to 1964 (The 2nd half of the baby boomers), named after the phrase "Keeping up with the Joneses." Unlike the older baby boomers, this cohort for the most part didn't grow up with WWII Veterans as fathers, grew up with LBJ and Richard Nixon as political figures rather than Eisenhower and JFK, saw high unemployment and oil crisis during their "coming of age" in the 1970s, and were too young to serve in the Vietnam War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willtip98 View Post
    Not many people know about this, but the term "Generation Jones" was coined for those born from the mid-50s to 1964 (The 2nd half of the baby boomers), named after the phrase "Keeping up with the Joneses." Unlike the older baby boomers, this cohort for the most part didn't grow up with WWII Veterans as fathers, grew up with LBJ and Richard Nixon as political figures rather than Eisenhower and JFK, saw high unemployment and oil crisis during their "coming of age" in the 1970s, and were too young to serve in the Vietnam War.
    I view 1940-1945 as boomer more than anyone born after 1959. I mean Silent Generation sounds better for a group of people born between the end of WWI and the start of WWII when there was silence in the world. Actually, boomers can have parents who are silent gen, greatest gen, and the lost gen, while gen x can have boomers, silent gen, and greatest gen as parents, and WWII veterans were the greatest gen and the older members of the silent gen. There are many children who are more than 40 years younger than both their parents. There are many gen y with silent gen parents, and many gen z with boomer parents. My friend born on January 23, 1994 has two younger sisters (born 2001 and 2005) who are gen z, and they were born to a boomer father (1956), but their mom was born in 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willtip98 View Post
    Not many people know about this, but the term "Generation Jones" was coined for those born from the mid-50s to 1964 (The 2nd half of the baby boomers), named after the phrase "Keeping up with the Joneses." Unlike the older baby boomers, this cohort for the most part didn't grow up with WWII Veterans as fathers, grew up with LBJ and Richard Nixon as political figures rather than Eisenhower and JFK, saw high unemployment and oil crisis during their "coming of age" in the 1970s, and were too young to serve in the Vietnam War.
    I was born in 1956, and my dad was a World War II veteran. Many of my classmates' dads were Korean War veterans but they simply got married at a younger age than my parents. I don't remember Eisenhower at all and barely remember Kennedy. There was stagflation in the late 1970s. Also, the United States was trying to heal from the Vietnam War era, which was very divisive. I don't think that it ever did heal. I know that I struggle with that at times. The images that were on the TV news were pretty horrific and I was a sensitive little kid in the 1960s, being exposed to that horror. I still have nightmares about it at times. Sometimes, I have been overwhelmed by those memories during the day. Fortunately, not too often. It is distressing to think about what people are capable of doing to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willtip98 View Post
    Not many people know about this, but the term "Generation Jones" was coined for those born from the mid-50s to 1964 (The 2nd half of the baby boomers), named after the phrase "Keeping up with the Joneses." Unlike the older baby boomers, this cohort for the most part didn't grow up with WWII Veterans as fathers, grew up with LBJ and Richard Nixon as political figures rather than Eisenhower and JFK, saw high unemployment and oil crisis during their "coming of age" in the 1970s, and were too young to serve in the Vietnam War.
    I have heard of it, but that is a weird name for the cusp between boomer and X. The cusp begins at 1955 and ends at 1964. 1955-1959 are on the boomer side with a few X traits, and 1960-1964 are on the X side with a few boomer traits (most common start dates are 1960 and 1965 for X). I think these cusps are clearly important, especially for those who are tossed between two different generations like generation jones, xennial, and most importantly, zennial. Like those born from 1960-1964 who are being called boomers consider themselves more as X, those born from 1980-1985 see themselves more as X than Y, though the latest they start the Y generation is 1982, and for zennial, those born from 1995-1999 see themselves more as Y than Z (I notice sources tend to start Gen Z anywhere from 1990 to 2004, though it is rare for them to start Gen Z before 1995), cause they are the last who actually knew how it was like before cell phones, laptops, and having an internet connection became mainstream. 1990 and 1991 are the true 90s kids cause they were born in the 90s and spent most of their childhood in the 90s. During the early 2000s, they were already preteens. Those born from January-April 1990 were teenagers before the early 2000s ended.
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    Gen X is a very short generation. Boomers and Millennials are much longer generations due to actual cultural similarity. Something very specific happened in Western culture in the 60s and early 70s. People born during this time of chaos and upheaval are Gen X. Boomers share a continuous, blessed narrative of being golden children of the struggling silent generation before them. They enjoyed a really comfortable childhood and adolescence, with adulthood causing extreme change and they are pretty comfortable overall as elderly people. This is the cause of Gen X and Millennials resenting Boomers as self absorbed or greedy. Everything is about them, anything behind is primitive and too conservative, anything ahead of them is a copy, a thief, a beneficiary of their remarkably privileged lives.

    I'm a social worker. I had to take sociology classes to earn my degree. I don't always agree with harsh judgments of any large group of people, but I do kind of see this attitude towards children born in the turbulence of the 60s and early 70s.

    I'm very fortunate to have very loving parents. My father is a Silent, much older than my mother but my mother was old fashioned....so old fashioned that she cried when she discovered I am a lesbian, while my father stoically accepted it. He even called me sensible for choosing against men. As if I had a choice???

    Anyway, I tend to argue for our generation being shorter, not longer. It has nothing to do with grunge music. It has more with growing up in a time of watching the world go from relatively innocent and not technologically advanced, with lots of changes in social attitudes towards race and gender, and appreciating it. Millennials take race and gender equality for granted for the most part. Bless them. That's why conservatives call them snowflakes. I disagree, but they never knew the world of easy racist and homophobic jokes we grew up with in family comedies. They don't remember this time, a mixture of beautiful innocence and horrible hatred.

    If you're not scared by the phones in the house in Bob Clark's Black Christmas, you're not Gen X or a Boomer. You're probably a Millennial with vague memories of land lines. So how to cut between Boomers and X? It's too easy to generalize post war suburbia to late 60s rapid change. I saw this in my schools though. My elementary school was integrated, just as a matter of course. I think things like that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Pirate View Post
    Gen X is a very short generation. Boomers and Millennials are much longer generations due to actual cultural similarity. Something very specific happened in Western culture in the 60s and early 70s. People born during this time of chaos and upheaval are Gen X. Boomers share a continuous, blessed narrative of being golden children of the struggling silent generation before them. They enjoyed a really comfortable childhood and adolescence, with adulthood causing extreme change and they are pretty comfortable overall as elderly people. This is the cause of Gen X and Millennials resenting Boomers as self absorbed or greedy. Everything is about them, anything behind is primitive and too conservative, anything ahead of them is a copy, a thief, a beneficiary of their remarkably privileged lives.

    I'm a social worker. I had to take sociology classes to earn my degree. I don't always agree with harsh judgments of any large group of people, but I do kind of see this attitude towards children born in the turbulence of the 60s and early 70s.

    I'm very fortunate to have very loving parents. My father is a Silent, much older than my mother but my mother was old fashioned....so old fashioned that she cried when she discovered I am a lesbian, while my father stoically accepted it. He even called me sensible for choosing against men. As if I had a choice???

    Anyway, I tend to argue for our generation being shorter, not longer. It has nothing to do with grunge music. It has more with growing up in a time of watching the world go from relatively innocent and not technologically advanced, with lots of changes in social attitudes towards race and gender, and appreciating it. Millennials take race and gender equality for granted for the most part. Bless them. That's why conservatives call them snowflakes. I disagree, but they never knew the world of easy racist and homophobic jokes we grew up with in family comedies. They don't remember this time, a mixture of beautiful innocence and horrible hatred.

    If you're not scared by the phones in the house in Bob Clark's Black Christmas, you're not Gen X or a Boomer. You're probably a Millennial with vague memories of land lines. So how to cut between Boomers and X? It's too easy to generalize post war suburbia to late 60s rapid change. I saw this in my schools though. My elementary school was integrated, just as a matter of course. I think things like that matter.
    Lets face it. Baby boomer are the only generation that was not defined based on experiences. They were defined as those born during the years when fertility rates went from the number at the end of WWII to the year when it dropped down to that same value leading to a constant decline in the fertility rate since. In the US though, fertility rates were at 2.00 and higher from 1989-2009 with exception of 1995-1997. I keep it at 1960-1979 for gen x cause its easier for me to remember and I could write an essay about why I consider those years as gen x aside from the fact that its all 60s and 70s born only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlpalaka View Post
    Lets face it. Baby boomer are the only generation that was not defined based on experiences. They were defined as those born during the years when fertility rates went from the number at the end of WWII to the year when it dropped down to that same value leading to a constant decline in the fertility rate since. In the US though, fertility rates were at 2.00 and higher from 1989-2009 with exception of 1995-1997. I keep it at 1960-1979 for gen x cause its easier for me to remember and I could write an essay about why I consider those years as gen x aside from the fact that its all 60s and 70s born only.
    True enough. Baby boomers were born when their parents were busily (and happily) mating and reproducing. The war was over and fertility rates went up and stayed up for years after World War II ended. Eventually, the parents of baby boomers left their reproductive years. There were far fewer people born during the Great Depression than before the 1929 stock market crash so the following generation was, of course, much fewer in number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Pirate View Post
    Gen X is a very short generation. Boomers and Millennials are much longer generations due to actual cultural similarity. Something very specific happened in Western culture in the 60s and early 70s. People born during this time of chaos and upheaval are Gen X. Boomers share a continuous, blessed narrative of being golden children of the struggling silent generation before them. They enjoyed a really comfortable childhood and adolescence, with adulthood causing extreme change and they are pretty comfortable overall as elderly people. This is the cause of Gen X and Millennials resenting Boomers as self absorbed or greedy. Everything is about them, anything behind is primitive and too conservative, anything ahead of them is a copy, a thief, a beneficiary of their remarkably privileged lives.

    I'm a social worker. I had to take sociology classes to earn my degree. I don't always agree with harsh judgments of any large group of people, but I do kind of see this attitude towards children born in the turbulence of the 60s and early 70s.

    I'm very fortunate to have very loving parents. My father is a Silent, much older than my mother but my mother was old fashioned....so old fashioned that she cried when she discovered I am a lesbian, while my father stoically accepted it. He even called me sensible for choosing against men. As if I had a choice???

    Anyway, I tend to argue for our generation being shorter, not longer. It has nothing to do with grunge music. It has more with growing up in a time of watching the world go from relatively innocent and not technologically advanced, with lots of changes in social attitudes towards race and gender, and appreciating it. Millennials take race and gender equality for granted for the most part. Bless them. That's why conservatives call them snowflakes. I disagree, but they never knew the world of easy racist and homophobic jokes we grew up with in family comedies. They don't remember this time, a mixture of beautiful innocence and horrible hatred.

    If you're not scared by the phones in the house in Bob Clark's Black Christmas, you're not Gen X or a Boomer. You're probably a Millennial with vague memories of land lines. So how to cut between Boomers and X? It's too easy to generalize post war suburbia to late 60s rapid change. I saw this in my schools though. My elementary school was integrated, just as a matter of course. I think things like that matter.
    The bizarre thing about all of the news coverage of baby boomers was that it was always about the "leading edge" of the baby boomer generation (those born in 1946). There was a joke for years that all baby boomers were the same age, regardless of the year that they were born.

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    Greatest gen-1901-1927
    Silent Gen-1928-1945
    Baby Boomer-1945-1964
    Generation X-1965-1980
    Millennial-1981-1997
    Gen Z-1998-2012
    Gen Alpha-2012-20??
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