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This is a discussion on When do you think Generation Z starts or is at least the cusp spans? within the Generation Z Forum forums, part of the The Generations category; Originally Posted by Zionas I was born in 1996 which makes me a late Millennial, but a couple of sources ...

  1. #51

    Quote Originally Posted by Zionas View Post
    I was born in 1996 which makes me a late Millennial, but a couple of sources I've come across list 1995 as the cut-off year for Generation Y. Overall I still believe that I'm a Millennial because I identify with some "core" Millennial traits much more than with Generation Z.

    -I didn't have access to a smartphone until I was 12, which means I spent pretty much all of my childhood without stuff like iPhone and iPod etc. I see kids these days play games on their phones and iPads starting from a young age. Back when I was their age the Playstation 2, a couple of MMOs, and some books made me happy.

    -Generation Z is sometimes referred to as being more traditional minded than Generation Y. According to some studies, Generation Z cares more about traditional indicators of "well-being" such as owning a house, marriage, job security / promotions, can have more traditionally minded gender roles, and value structures / customs. Other than wanting to get married (out of personal will rather than out of compliance with social norms and rites of passage-I think the whole RoP idea is utterly insane and stupid), none of these apply to me. In fact, part of me is a bit skeptical about marriage as an institution of the state. I absolutely plan on spending the rest of my life with one person, but I don't like the state sticking its nose into any of my business. I am an anarchist deep down and I value my personal privacy and freedom way too much. However, part of me is still attached to the idea of marriage.

    -I'm less tech savvy than a lot of my younger contemporaries and I'd imagine myself to be totally clueless when it comes to the stuff that the children of today will access once they get older. It doesn't really bother me anyway that I've fallen really behind when it comes to tech, because I feel a lot of the stuff is unnecessary anyway and I have worries about the future of technology as it's increasingly used for less-than-noble purposes.

    -I've heard that Generation Y is less socially and politically active on average than Generation Z. I wish these kids good luck if they're really trying to make the world a better place, though a lot of the stuff that's been happening doesn't resonate with my values. If it's true that Generation Z's more politically and socially active while Y's more averse to stuff like politics, then I identify much more with Y than Z.

    -I feel like both Y and Z are, on average, more international-minded than previous generations. I'm all for a degree of healthy diversity, but I'm far from being the most open to new ideas and new cultures. The vast majority of my friends are of the same ethnicity as me, but that could simply be because I've spent pretty much all my life surrounded by an ethnic enclave of sorts.

    Personally I feel Z starts in 1998. The individuals I know born in 1997, some are showing Generation Z traits, some are still more Millennial. Overall I'd say those born in '97 are still part of Y. Keep in mind 1998 is when Neptune really moves into Aquarius, in 1997 it moved for a while back into Capricorn.

    However, when it comes to actually classifying individuals it's much more complex than just labeling them as Gen X, Y, or Z. Remember that we're all different, of different natures and upbringings.

    I do notice that I tend to have an easier time befriending people who are older than me. It's been that way for as long as I can remember. Even when I was a kid there were some who told me I already possessed, in some ways, wisdom beyond my years. At the same time, I've managed to retain my innocence and being child-like. Not to boast about myself but this combination has made me quite charismatic.
    As a '98er, I can't agree with this. You can't separate me from a '97 baby, because:
    1) We were in the same place during 9/11 (Preschool/Pre-K), and technically are the last who would've been "in school/in a classroom" when the attacks occurred.
    2) We entered elementary school (Kindergarten) during the Web 1.0 era (In Fall 2002 and 2003, respectively), when dial-up was still widely in use. Keep in mind, broadband didn't officially overtake dial-up until mid-2004.
    3) We each spent the majority of our childhoods (I consider childhood ages 3-11) under the 6th gaming generation rather than the 7th gaming generation.
    4) We left elementary and entered middle school prior to the tech boom in 2010, with the launch of the iPad and social media becoming popular.
    5) We graduated high school (C/O 2015 and 2016, respectively) under Obama as President and were in college for Trump's election. This also means we were the youngest who voted in that election, alongside '95 and '96 babies who were also in college at the time.
    6) Since we had already left high school by the time of the Parkland shooting and the beginning of the walkout protests, we did not participate in them at all.

    I personally believe Gen Z begins in 1999 or 2000, but that's a topic for another day.

  2. #52

    I said it before, I'll say it again.
    The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

    1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
    Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
    Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

    1928-1945 = Silent Generation
    Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
    Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

    1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
    Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
    Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

    1964-1981 = Generation X
    Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
    Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

    1982-1999 = Millennials
    Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
    Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

    2000-2017 = Plurals
    Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
    The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

    I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


    As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
    I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

    1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
    1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
    1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

    1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
    1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
    1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

    1988-1993 = Core Millennials

    1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
    1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
    1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

    2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
    2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
    2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

    2006-2011 = Core Plurals
    Last edited by CaboBayCaptain1297; 07-11-2019 at 02:44 PM.

  3. #53

    Quote Originally Posted by CaboBayCaptain1297 View Post
    I said it before, I'll say it again.
    The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

    1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
    Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
    Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

    1928-1945 = Silent Generation
    Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
    Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

    1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
    Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
    Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

    1964-1981 = Generation X
    Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
    Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

    1982-1999 = Millennials
    Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
    Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

    2000-2017 = Plurals
    Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
    The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

    I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


    As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
    I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

    1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
    1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
    1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

    1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
    1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
    1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

    1988-1993 = Core Millennials

    1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
    1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
    1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

    2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
    2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
    2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

    2006-2011 = Core Plurals
    I really like this 18-year theory as well, balancing it out for all generations since the Greatest Generation. I currently just use the Pew 16-year model after Boomers, but it's not the best method, even though that is the one I am using right now.
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  5. #54

    Quote Originally Posted by CaboBayCaptain1297 View Post
    I said it before, I'll say it again.
    The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

    1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
    Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
    Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

    1928-1945 = Silent Generation
    Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
    Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

    1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
    Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
    Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

    1964-1981 = Generation X
    Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
    Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

    1982-1999 = Millennials
    Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
    Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

    2000-2017 = Plurals
    Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
    The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

    I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


    As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
    I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

    1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
    1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
    1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

    1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
    1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
    1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

    1988-1993 = Core Millennials

    1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
    1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
    1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

    2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
    2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
    2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

    2006-2011 = Core Plurals
    I think it is a good definition and span so far.I am also using Pew research center's definition which is a 16 years model for Gen X,Y and Z right now after Boomers.I am also not really a fan of cusp. That is yours.Here is mine.Yes it is based on Pew Research Centre.

    1910-1927-Greatest Generation
    Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
    Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.
    1928-1945-Silent Generation
    Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
    Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.
    1946-1964-Baby Boomers
    Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
    Ends at 1964 because they were the last to come of age before the breakthrough of MTV.And they turned 16 before 1981 or Reagan become the President of USA or before Gen X culture become bigger.

    1965-1980-Generation X
    Started at 1965 because they came of age during the breakthrough of MTV in 1983.
    And They turn 16 when Gen X become bigger
    Ended at 1980 because IDK.
    1981-1996-Millennials
    Started at 1981
    Ended at 1996

    1997-2012-Gen Z.
    Started at 1997
    Ended at 2012 because of December 21st 2012's false prophecy

    I think we need it to be objective.
    Last edited by andrewyu2005; 07-16-2019 at 02:25 AM.
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  6. #55

    Here is my favorite way of looking at Gen Z

    Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

    Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
    Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
    Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

    Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

    Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
    Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
    Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

    Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

    Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
    Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
    Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)

  7. #56

    Quote Originally Posted by RELpersonailty02 View Post
    Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

    Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
    Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
    Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

    Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

    Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
    Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
    Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

    Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

    Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
    Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
    Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
    Hey, aren't you from Reddit?
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  8. #57

    Quote Originally Posted by RELpersonailty02 View Post
    Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

    Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
    Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
    Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

    Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

    Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
    Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
    Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

    Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

    Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
    Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
    Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
    Dividing generations by graduating class doesn't work very well, as Captain pointed out in another post on here. Some students can drop out of school and never graduate at all, start school early/late, fall behind or skip a grade, or even immigrate from another country to complete school.

    Even so, the 97-98 class is a better place to end Y rather than begin Z, due to being the last class that graduated under Obama rather than Trump as President, as well as being able to vote in the 2016 Election, which will be remembered 20-30 years down the road as one of the most pivotal moments in American history.

  9. #58

    Quote Originally Posted by Willtip98 View Post
    Dividing generations by graduating class doesn't work very well, as Captain pointed out in another post on here. Some students can drop out of school and never graduate at all, start school early/late, fall behind or skip a grade, or even immigrate from another country to complete school.

    Even so, the 97-98 class is a better place to end Y rather than begin Z, due to being the last class that graduated under Obama rather than Trump as President, as well as being able to vote in the 2016 Election, which will be remembered 20-30 years down the road as one of the most pivotal moments in American history.
    To be fair though, other than the fact that the 97-98 class voted in 2016 and that they graduated high school under Obama, everything else about them seems more Gen Z to me. They were the first to spend majority of high school in the mid 2010s, first to finish up their bachelors in the 2020s, even when they were in high school, Trump was still everywhere on the news during his campaign, going by the core childhood definition of 6-10, they wouldn’t have spent any of their core childhood years in the early 2000s. While going with the 5-11 main childhood definition, they would’ve spent all of their main childhood during the mid and late 2000s, while only one in the early 2000s. Their peak childhood year was 2006 which is known as the first Gen Z childhood year, they didn’t spend a full year of middle school in the 2000s, they entered high school when Instagram and Snapchat were starting to rise, they were still in elementary school when Obama got elected and the Great Recession was still going on and ended when they entered middle school. All of these factors convince me of them being the First Early Z class

  10. #59

    Quote Originally Posted by RELpersonailty02 View Post
    Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

    Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
    Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
    Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

    Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

    Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
    Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
    Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

    Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

    Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
    Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
    Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
    No I do not think you should define it by classes lol as captain had pointed out that they are people who use different school systems throughout the world like me,THY9899,SharkFanBlue and other people as you know I am a Malaysian Chinese who is currently staying in Brunei. For more information you can see what captain has posted about 9/11 fallacy and what he says about using classes to define it https://www.personalitycafe.com/gene...t-year-15.html
    Last edited by andrewyu2005; 07-17-2019 at 03:10 AM.

  11. #60

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewyu2005 View Post
    No I do not think you should define it by classes lol as captain had pointed out that they are people who use different school systems throughout the world like me,THY9899,SharkFanBlue and other people as you know I am a Malaysian Chinese who is currently staying in Brunei. For more information you can see what captain has posted about 9/11 fallacy and what he says about using classes to define it
    Most people who voted in that poll tend to agree that you should define it by graduating class. But if I had to make an international version of the definition, it would probably be Early Z 1998-2003, Core Z 2004-2009, and Late Z 2010-2015
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