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  1. #501

    I'm rewatching the first season.
    The thoery of 9th as ISTP seems very probablle. Trying to understand reasons for everything, some issues with Fe and caring about feelings of people around him.
    His journey is a bit like 12th as he learned to be more considerate of others.

    But I'm not sure if 9th quick thinking is a result of his present-mindedness or an ability to connect ideas mentally.
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  2. #502

    Quote Originally Posted by Allana View Post
    I'm rewatching the first season.
    The thoery of 9th as ISTP seems very probablle. Trying to understand reasons for everything, some issues with Fe and caring about feelings of people around him.
    His journey is a bit like 12th as he learned to be more considerate of others.

    But I'm not sure if 9th quick thinking is a result of his present-mindedness or an ability to connect ideas mentally.
    If you don't mind, can you analyse the thought process of Nine on his significant moments?
    Se-Ni would focus on the observations on the sensory environment in front of him and is fine with making a physical impact on the environment around them to gather more information. It is sometimes assisted by gut hunches which they are inclined to follow to reach a singular conclusion.
    Ne-Si would entertain and speculate on numerous different possibilities, with each new idea expanding like a interconnected spider web. Si would compare information to what they have previously experienced in order to determine how familiar/different it is.

  3. #503

    If you don't mind, can you analyse the thought process of Nine on his significant moments?
    I will try to analyse his phrases and way of speaking.
    DOCTOR: Why would they be students?
    ROSE: I don't know.
    DOCTOR: Well, you said it. Why students?
    ROSE: 'Cos to get that many people dressed up and being silly, they got to be students.
    DOCTOR: That makes sense. Well done.
    ROSE: Thanks.
    DOCTOR: They're not students.
    ROSE: Whoever they are, when Wilson finds them, he's going to call the police.
    DOCTOR: Who's Wilson?
    ROSE: Chief electrician.
    DOCTOR: Wilson's dead
    Here I can see his Ti (why do you think they students? And low-Fe. No concern for her feelings. Hard truth)

    DOCTOR: What're you doing here?
    ROSE: I live here.
    DOCTOR: Well, what do you do that for?
    ROSE: Because I do. I'm only at home because someone blew up my job.
    DOCTOR: I must have got the wrong signal. You're not plastic, are you? No, bonehead. Bye, then.


    ROSE: Hold on a minute. You can't just go swanning off.
    DOCTOR: Yes I can. Here I am. This is me, swanning off. See you.
    ROSE: But that arm was moving. It tried to kill me.
    DOCTOR: Ten out of ten for observation.
    ROSE: You can't just walk away. That's not fair. You've got to tell me what's going on.
    DOCTOR: No, I don't.



    Ti-again. Logical and rational.


    DOCTOR: Yeah, I'm fine. I'm full of ideas, I'm bristling with them. Idea number one, teleportation through five thousand degrees needs some kind of feed. Idea number two, this feed must be hidden nearby.
    (He smashes open the alleged ostrich egg to reveal a small device.)
    DOCTOR: Idea number three, if you're as clever as me, then a teleportation feed can be reversed.


    What I can say.... he's definetely observant (except for the London Eye), he has quick reflexes (pulling the arm off, breaking the door, being ready to fight guards) and he doesn't ponder too much about future. He's quite pragmatic and hands-on.

    The thing is, Adam, time travel’s like visiting Paris. You can’t just read the guide book, you’ve got to throw yourself in. Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, get charged double and end up kissing complete strangers. Or is that just me? Stop asking questions, go and do it.”

    ISTP 5w6 8w9 2w1 or 5w6 8w7 2w1


    What do you think?
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  5. #504

    Quote Originally Posted by Allana View Post
    I will try to analyse his phrases and way of speaking.


    Here I can see his Ti (why do you think they students? And low-Fe. No concern for her feelings. Hard truth)

    DOCTOR: What're you doing here?
    ROSE: I live here.
    DOCTOR: Well, what do you do that for?
    ROSE: Because I do. I'm only at home because someone blew up my job.
    DOCTOR: I must have got the wrong signal. You're not plastic, are you? No, bonehead. Bye, then.


    ROSE: Hold on a minute. You can't just go swanning off.
    DOCTOR: Yes I can. Here I am. This is me, swanning off. See you.
    ROSE: But that arm was moving. It tried to kill me.
    DOCTOR: Ten out of ten for observation.
    ROSE: You can't just walk away. That's not fair. You've got to tell me what's going on.
    DOCTOR: No, I don't.



    Ti-again. Logical and rational.


    DOCTOR: Yeah, I'm fine. I'm full of ideas, I'm bristling with them. Idea number one, teleportation through five thousand degrees needs some kind of feed. Idea number two, this feed must be hidden nearby.
    (He smashes open the alleged ostrich egg to reveal a small device.)
    DOCTOR: Idea number three, if you're as clever as me, then a teleportation feed can be reversed.


    What I can say.... he's definetely observant (except for the London Eye), he has quick reflexes (pulling the arm off, breaking the door, being ready to fight guards) and he doesn't ponder too much about future. He's quite pragmatic and hands-on.

    The thing is, Adam, time travel’s like visiting Paris. You can’t just read the guide book, you’ve got to throw yourself in. Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, get charged double and end up kissing complete strangers. Or is that just me? Stop asking questions, go and do it.”

    ISTP 5w6 8w9 2w1 or 5w6 8w7 2w1


    What do you think?
    ROSE: Did they kill him? Mickey? Did they kill Mickey? Is he dead?
    DOCTOR: Oh. I didn't think of that.


    ROSE: I'll have to tell his mother. Mickey. I'll have to tell his mother he's dead, and you just went and forgot him, again! You were right, you are alien.
    DOCTOR: Look, if I did forget some kid called Mickey
    ROSE: Yeah, he's not a kid.
    DOCTOR: It's because I'm trying to save the life of every stupid ape blundering on top of this planet, all right?

    This Doctor forgets a lot about the human element and doesn't consider them in the equation. He is just invested in find the solution, solving the problem and leaving quietly afterwards.

    ROSE: Tell me who you are!
    DOCTOR: This is who I am, right here, right now, all right? All that counts is here and now, and this is me.

    The Doctor when asked questions about his past in the second episode decides to try to identify himself as a man grounded in the present moment.

    I don't have too many problems with your tritype. Probably 8w9>8w7 as he gives off a more earthly and composed quality to him. He is quick to take charge and doesn't like it when people challenge his authority, not liking it when Jack Harkness gave the orders in 'Boomtown'. He is unafraid of confrontation, refusing to back down against Jackie Tyler. Still considering the possibility of 1-fix though. I have realised that in determining tritype, there should be evidence even for determining the lower fixes. Does his motives stem from Eight or One? Similarly is there a possibly for a 3 fix. He generally doesn't care about attracting that much impression but he does like to impress people-then again it is not a very prominent part of his personality and thus does not negate all the 2-ish duty + give to other-ness of him which could also be attributed towards one. What are his core motivations and why does he have them? Okay I have just contradicted my initial statement and I am probably asking too much but considering you are watching his run, can you find evidence for his tritype?
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    What are his core motivations and why does he have them? Okay I have just contradicted my initial statement and I am probably asking too much but considering you are watching his run, can you find evidence for his tritype?
    With your love for proofs you might as well be a Tedom.

    Why don't you want to watch S1 too?


    Well, I eliminated such cores as 1,2,3 (he is not about appearance), 4, 6 (he is a bit of a lone wolf), 7 (he travels for researching new but not for fun itself), 8, (he has 8 in his tritype but 9 is not obsessed with power struggles), 9 9he doesn't avoid conflicts and can be actually quite authorative and rough at times).

    9 is withdrown, brooding, detached but curious about new things. He wants only competent companions. He didn't want to take Mickey Adam, or to have a dinner with Jackie. They didn't impress him. He took Rose as he liked her shrewdness and bravery.


    He considers himself a genius and acts with confidence when he knows what he is doing (a dinner with margaret, dealing with Slitheens, using nano-genes) and he hates feeling helpless, not knowing what is happening like with siation with "zombies'.

    He is somewhat skeptical and distrustful but values support at the same time (he didn't trust Adam ot Jack at first). but he got warmer to Jack as he proved himself knowledgeable and "useful".
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  7. #506

    Quote Originally Posted by Allana View Post
    With your love for proofs you might as well be a Tedom.

    Why don't you want to watch S1 too?


    Well, I eliminated such cores as 1,2,3 (he is not about appearance), 4, 6 (he is a bit of a lone wolf), 7 (he travels for researching new but not for fun itself), 8, (he has 8 in his tritype but 9 is not obsessed with power struggles), 9 9he doesn't avoid conflicts and can be actually quite authorative and rough at times).

    9 is withdrown, brooding, detached but curious about new things. He wants only competent companions. He didn't want to take Mickey Adam, or to have a dinner with Jackie. They didn't impress him. He took Rose as he liked her shrewdness and bravery.


    He considers himself a genius and acts with confidence when he knows what he is doing (a dinner with margaret, dealing with Slitheens, using nano-genes) and he hates feeling helpless, not knowing what is happening like with siation with "zombies'.

    He is somewhat skeptical and distrustful but values support at the same time (he didn't trust Adam ot Jack at first). but he got warmer to Jack as he proved himself knowledgeable and "useful".
    Me a Te-dom? Haha, no way.
    I'm a lazy and unmotivated person who struggles with watching TV series. I have watched FourthWallReaction's Series 1 reactions a while ago so I'm used that as a base of my understanding of the Ninth Doctor in addition to searching up stuff on TardisWiki + online transcripts of episodes to find quotes.

    You have some very valid points. I did not even remember that point about him wanting to take only competent companions. That reminds me of his initial rejection of Adam, how reluctantly went aboard with the idea because Rose liked him and how he basically saw no potential in him. I wonder if his reaction against the Dalek is just a result of his trauma or in function terms could be considered an Fe-meltdown? Probably the former. I suppose Nine is just a man who just wants to completely disconnect himself from the Time War and be the traveller he was before (in the Classic series), solving mysteries and tries his best to live in the present moment, essentially becoming a stepford smiler. Yet he is constantly reminded of it and whenever he does, he wallows in pain and agony over what he has done. I found it interesting that at the 'The End of the World' he made the choice to tell Rose that he was the last of the Last Lord and that his people + planet was gone from a war. I wonder what his motive was there? Did he decide to show a bit of vulnerability so he could better connect with her? Did he thought that she deserved those answers to her previous questions? Or perhaps he already so comfortable around her and was in such a pensive mood it just came out of his mouth?
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  8. #507

    I'm a lazy and unmotivated person who struggles with watching TV series.
    @Pensive Fine

    Yeah, this is my issue too. I often prefer to watch some videos on youtube about a show not the whole seasons. Like with GOT. I watched just S1, some of S2-S3 and S7-8. And a lot of videos from all seasons.



    I wonder what his motive was there? Did he decide to show a bit of vulnerability so he could better connect with her? Did he thought that she deserved those answers to her previous questions? Or perhaps he already so comfortable around her and was in such a pensive mood it just came out of his mouth?
    I always thought it was his trying to connect her and let her understand him a bit more. He was in terrible pain and he wanted someone to share this pain with him, to see him. Rose saw the death of her planet, now he could open up a bit.

    And she didn't get scared, she comforted him.
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  9. #508

    Si is a confusing function for me. It is described as a lot of things subjective recall of experiences, storing internalised bodily sensations, mythological images, comparison and contrast of the specific details of present to past.
    I'm not if this is right but if Twelfth is an INTP, I have been thinking of trying to find my own evidence of his Ne-Si axis, especially so that I have a stronger argument against INTJ which uses (Ni-Se). Funky has provided enough evidence for the judging axis but what about the perceiving?

    I think these are the possible ways Twelfth shows Si. Whilst this may be attributed to trauma, Twelfth in series 8 is adamant on the whole idea that 'soldiers are bad' based upon his past experience. Of course the Twelfth is almost trying to project his own self-hatred of his own experiences in a soldier-like figure onto others, especially given his recent experiences in Trenzalore. Still it points towards remembering his experiences in a subjective way or rather bending the truth so it matches up with the way he views his past experiences? From series 9 onwards this same bias does not manifest itself. Additionally Twelfth in 'The Last Christmas' reveals that he always sees the face of young Clara even when confronted with an older Clara in a dream. Of course considering Twelfth being an alien (who probably have some tendencies based off ASD), it may not be correlated with the functions. Still he chooses to remember young Clara every single time.

    Twelfth's characterisation was a little all over the place, but a line in particular stood about to me that made me think.
    "Everything is huge, everything is so important, every detail, every moment, every life clung to"
    Twelfth does not always pay attention to the present moment, constantly living his life in his head yet I believe he has this impression based upon his recall of previous experiences from his previous lives.

    As for more on Twelfth's Ne. I found it interesting that he was fine with leaving the truth of what was under the bed (from Rupert's place) like that. His Ti-Ne just wanted to entertain the possibilities and in the end ultimately left without finding the answer out which I think Ni would struggle more with- which wants singular conclusion. If the Twelfth Doctor could be said to have been somewhat stuck in a bit of a Ti-Si loop in Series 8, the acceptance of his Ne would explain his entirely different persona in Series 9. He becomes significantly kookier and more outwardly quirky, trying out a new fashion sense, adopting new habits and interests in an almost Ne fashion. His mind is quite scatterbrained, constantly expanding in different directions- which can be seen in his 'Zygon Inversion' speech as he gets caught in a lot of unnecessary, minor details about less irrelevant topics. He asks Bonney "to paint [him] a picture", he gets excited imagining the possibilities of this world involving living in houses, holidays and music- even asking "do you think people will get to play violins" and "who is going to make the violins?". These details have little relevance to the point he is trying to make. Similarly in providing lectures in university in Series 10, he lacks that Ni singular focus on trying to ascertain the truth of a topic, just wanted to ramble whatever Ne idea pops up in his head.

    I'm not sure if the evidence I provided is valid. I think that one thing many people do when typing (including myself) is that we cherrypick examples and say 'this is evidence of this function'. I am slowly learning to look more for patterns (in which the character has demonstrated this over and over again) since MBTI is also about mental processes and thus should be noticeable in all situations a person find themselves in. Of course applying that to fictional characters, a lot of the time it depends on the consistency of the writing. Steven Moffat seemingly an Ne writer kind of leaked the Ne into Twelve's dialogue.
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  10. #509

    On second thought, I'm starting to think that Donna might not be a 3-core. Yes she fears being inherently worthless, puts on a tough facade...but she never tries to continuously promote her strengths and invest herself in a strong image like a 3 does. Yes she does have low-esteem but even so she never really has that sense of 100% needing people to see her as the 'ideal image'. She never really feels driven to be more impressive than everyone else, she just wants to find a sense of worth within her.

    "Sweetheart, come on. You're not going to make the world any better by shouting at it."
    I wonder would a 3 be shouting at the world like that all the time? I actually considered Funky's perception of her as a 8 and I find it has some validity. She never falters in the face of confrontation and downright holds her own, being exceptionally quick to boss people around and take control. But the problem I have with it is does it relate to the core fear of 8 of essentially 'of being harmed or controlled by others'? Not entirely sure.

  11. #510
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I don't think The Doctor has really changed MBTI ultimately with each incarnation. I think he/she is always ENTP but with some varying levels of functions that make them lean toward a different MBTI in certain instances. My theory on MBTI is that if you are only over the border for a function (like only slightly leaning Thinking, etc.) you sometimes can behave in a way that is similar to that MBTI type. For example, if you were an ENTP that was only slightly Perceiving, in certain instances you may behave like an ENTJ or if you were only slightly Thinking, you can sometime behave like an ENFP.

    Still though, every single Doctor has been:

    -Very logically, sometimes to a fault. The companion is usually used as the "Feeler" to help the Doctor recognize the emotional side of the situation. The Doctor can look at the situation as what is best for the whole, not any individual's feelings.

    -Loves a puzzle or a new situation. This is what a lot of people have mistaken for The Doctor caring so much to "save people" and mis-types him/her a Feeler. The Doctor is almost always excited because something is wrong that needs to be figured out and fixed, not that he/she is saving people. The motivation is the excitement, not the people, though The Doctor obviously would like the result in the end to be saving people.

    -Doesn't seek to be the leader but ends up as one by default. She/he really is just doing what they want to do and figures if anyone wants to follow, great, but keep up because he/she is not going to take time to explain the plan. (Very Ne-Ti)

    -Get bored easily when things get routine. Has a hard time settling down. (Ne-leading which means they are iNtuitive and a Perceiver)

    -Does not like to talk about feelings and personal stuff if they can help it (they are much more likely to listen to someone else's feelings than want to think or talk about their own). (Fe down below Ti and no Fi in the conscious stack)

    -Tends to get more motivation if there is oppression of a person/race. ENTPs are very non-judgmental when it comes to people's freedoms (people can do whatever the hell they want to do) UNLESS it really hurts other people. Then we tend to get motivated to help the oppressed. In the same respect, ENTPs are very good at not projecting our own morals or ideas on other people. Each person is individual so what I believe is the right thing to do may not be the right thing for the other person. The Doctor always seems to see other races and planets this way (but God-forbid they start doing something to oppress someone that does not want it).

    So each incarnation has the same traits as above; however, each one seems a little softer or stronger with their cognitive functions. The 10th Doctor was more personally emotional and more motivated by his own feelings so he tended to sometimes have ENFP traits (still mostly ENTP). The 2nd, 4th, and 11th Doctor I think was the most purely ENTP than the others. The 3rd was less iNtuitive so he could act ESTP sometimes. The 1st and 12th Doctor seemed a little less of a Perceiver so they could act xNTJ. The 13th seems like she has more Fe and less perceiving so she can act ENFJ (although really, as a female ENTP myself, I seem to have better Fe than my male counterparts but I am securely ENTP so maybe there is a gender difference-though I attribute it to biology for child raising so I am not sure what a 2000 year old Time Lord's biology is if the body is suddenly female after being male all this time). I am not sure of the other Doctors though. My familiarity to having really watched DW was 1-4 and 9-13.


     
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