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This is a discussion on Donald Trump within the Guess the type forums, part of the What's my personality type? category; If he is ENTJ, he certainly has very strong Se....

  1. #391
    ENFP

    If he is ENTJ, he certainly has very strong Se.

  2. #392

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester View Post
    Because his thinking appears very Te-based most of the time.
    I find your post challenging. My view stopped at ESTP = Se Ti Fe Ni but will look at what you said to see if you can change my mind.


    Mexicans are coming in, build a wall! Some illegal immigrants are already in? Let's deport them. Small villages are out of jobs, bring them back. He constantly touts the final ''results'' The economy is back up, my meeting with such and such was a great success etc. He's a very take charge, nip it in the bud type of guy which is very Te-Dom.
    That could be Te if that was external thinking because it's true immigrants are coming in. But how do you know that is thinking? Immigrants coming in is observation, not thinking. Not to forget he wants to be in charge and will say anything to sell to his base and any others who like drama. Ti can keep thinking inside ... a secret. By saying those things he cleverly appeals to others who may buy it. "The economy is back up" is a falsity for the many who are impoverished. He is deliberately selling an exaggeration because he knows it can sell. Tell me that isn't Ti! Used car salesmen do that all the time.


    Ti would see the many layers and complexities behind those issues. Granted, bashing on him is as common as white girls sipping on a latté, but all my TP friends just love to tear apart all his actions, words, ideas etc. NJs are also somewhat notorious for being out of touch with reality because in their minds they are convinced they hold the absolute truth. I.e Bono who thinks we should all give half our paychecks to help starving countries in Africa, totally ignoring the fact that the average working person struggles to get by as it is.
    Bashing him for logic, external logic, can't work as far as I can see because he's exaggerating deliberately. It's too much trouble to out-logic what he says and most won't do that. "Have I get a used car for you" is too hard to argue with unless you walk away ... unless you are smart enough to argue but not smart enough to see he doesn't want to lose.




    Problem is ESTP type 8 is also very much like that + add the fact that he's clearly a malignant narcissist which means he could be a really messed up ISFJ for all we know. (Of course he's not, just trying to make a point).

    Also, people need to stop assuming that just because you have N in your four letter code that you're automatically a genius. Yet in his case, he's clearly mentally ill, so you can actually blame it on that and keep the title of ''Intuitive'' all shiny and pristine because he doesn't count.
    Diagnosing his mental state is okay if you are a professional and not party affiliated. What good is it to say he is crazy if he is just terribly pushy and won't take any opposition? Pushy gets points. Just don't vote for him no matter what trick he pulls on election day ... and I'll bet he has something up his sleeve. Avoid mistaking Ti for Te.

  3. #393

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester View Post
    Because his thinking appears very Te-based most of the time. Mexicans are coming in, build a wall! Some illegal immigrants are already in? Let's deport them. Small villages are out of jobs, bring them back. He constantly touts the final ''results'' The economy is back up, my meeting with such and such was a great success etc. He's a very take charge, nip it in the bud type of guy which is very Te-Dom. Ti would see the many layers and complexities behind those issues. Granted, bashing on him is as common as white girls sipping on a latté, but all my TP friends just love to tear apart all his actions, words, ideas etc. NJs are also somewhat notorious for being out of touch with reality because in their minds they are convinced they hold the absolute truth. I.e Bono who thinks we should all give half our paychecks to help starving countries in Africa, totally ignoring the fact that the average working person struggles to get by as it is.

    Problem is ESTP type 8 is also very much like that + add the fact that he's clearly a malignant narcissist which means he could be a really messed up ISFJ for all we know. (Of course he's not, just trying to make a point).

    Also, people need to stop assuming that just because you have N in your four letter code that you're automatically a genius. Yet in his case, he's clearly mentally ill, so you can actually blame it on that and keep the title of ''Intuitive'' all shiny and pristine because he doesn't count.
    It's just EST.

    If you want an ENTJ, watch and listen Macron ... But like most Anglo Saxons, you only observe your world. Yet, the difference is abysmal.

    ESTJ are very serious and controlled like Montgomery (ESTJ) or Thatsher (ENTJ). The ENTJ are much more abstract. In France Macron is nicknamed Jupiter (Zeus). "As a being that you can not reach" ... Trump, on the contrary, is very close to his electorate. Very seductive. He is like a small contractor who arrived very high, very aware about the origin of his success. He is at least as impulsive as Churchill (ESTP). You can even see it in the mimicry of their faces. Their style are very similar. Macron has the face of a raptor, an eagle flying over the little people with its piercing view.

    You don't know ESTJ or ENTJ. It's obvious. You talk about white girls in a stereotypical way (even true), like blacks and watermelons, which highlights an ideological bias. De facto, this leads to a confusion for you between connection with reality and intuition. For you Trump is delusional, so an intuitive, so an offline with the reality.

    So easy to perceive this in your text ...
    Last edited by Casus Belli; 08-28-2019 at 05:37 PM.

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  5. #394
    ISTP

    I had thought of either ESTP or ESFP for him in the past. But after learning more about type and Trump, I am on board with the ENTJ camp now. The Se dominant typing never felt solid to me, even though he's one of the most extraverted people to ever exist and he clearly values Se. He is evidently strong on the T and weak on the F, yet his pattern follows Fi/Te, not Ti/Fe. This proved to be a dilemma to me that I finally was able to resolve once I learned about the visual profiles of cognitive types. Te>Ni is the best match by far. So not only does he fit the visual profile of the ENTJ, this typing also completely solves my conundrum of clearly seeing strong Te and Se in him.

    I had initially approached this typing with a too narrow mindset: believing he had to be a sensor. I let the forum MBTI stereotypes influence me too much, even though I was already aware of them. I am but human. Te defines Trump's worldview and I feel silly for not allowing myself to recognize this sooner.

    8w7 Sp/So ENTJ.

  6. #395
  7. #396

    Trump is a caricature of the entrepeneur

    16P says,

    ESTP: Intelligent, energetic, and very perceptive people who truly enjoy living on the edge


    ENTJ: Bold, imaginative and strong willed leader, always finding a way or making one.


    It's like two overlapping spectrums. But seriously, how an ENTJ could catch a guy in a TVShow with a vision of the presidency ... Some will say it was calculated to seduce an electorate through a physical game. But even here, it's still a mark of the ESTP. For a part of the population, Trump seems scary in all his choices. At first, people said he was going to start a war, other than he was incompetent ...

    No, just ESTP. It's normal that you sweat a little, since he improvises a lot.
    Last edited by Casus Belli; 09-05-2019 at 12:47 PM.
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  8. #397

    Still ESTJ and still a lying, corrupt moron.

  9. #398

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean Helm View Post
    Still ESTJ and still a lying, corrupt moron.
    He has ZERO Si though. That's the one thing that is universally agreed about him is that he is clearly Se/Ni or Ni/Se.

    I know it's tempting to pin ESTJ on him because they are seen by the MBTI community as authoritative morons, but again, no, ZERO Si.
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  10. #399

    His testament will be... A wall... So intuitive... Any intuive would inscribe on an external strategy rather than a simple physical solution. Trump comes back again and again with a wall. This is his vision. (Ni) (this will obviously be a wall system and not a wall).

    He is a great improviser. This is why he is constantly criticizing. To speak before thinking. He see his country as clan to protect and he is a showmen.

    Always ESTP.

  11. #400
    Unknown

    ISFJ. It's so obvious


     
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