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    Medical studies about vegan nutrition benefits:

    This guy has been vegan for over 25 years, he's very intelligent, he looks younger than he is, and he has a completely non-aggressive personality, because that's a personality trait or a political strategy not something inherent to being vegan:

    Woman with PhD - Dr. Melanie Joy - explains why some meat eaters have such cognitive dissonance and act so threatened by completely non-violent vegan activism, etc. I don't completely agree with her. I think she's right about most people, but there's a segment of the population who can only be addressed by sterner judgments about sexism and patriarchal structure and/or racism and colonialist attitudes, voiced by others like Dr. Laura Wright in her criticism of American popular culture and advertising:

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    Getting back on topic, I was totally blessed yesterday by a bag of free ugly produce! I got more bananas for my banana box, and a bunch of tomatoes for free.

    I was able to use up tomatoes that couldn't be used fresh by cutting off a bad part here and there, and slicing the majority of them, dipping them in non-dairy milk, rolling them in flour with salt and pepper, and frying them in Earth Balance (you can also just use canola oil or coconut oil, I don't recommend olive oil because it has a high smoke point, and tomatoes have to be pan fried in batches). Of course green tomatoes have a particular taste known in Southern cuisine, but red tomatoes are also super tasty!

    I then used the mushiest ones to stew with a little water, salt and Italian seasonings, to save for later. Yum!

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    You'll need:

    1 can coconut milk

    1 TBSP dry rosemary (ground with mortar and pestle if you can)

    1-2 cloves of garlic finely chopped

    1/2 red onion finely chopped

    1 heaping cup dry polenta (or grits)

    1 cube of Not Chkn bouillon (or equivalent, like vegetarian Better than Bouillon)

    2 cups of water (or skip the bouillon cubes and water, using 1 1/2 to 2 cups veggie broth instead)

    Salt, to taste

    Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

    Bring all ingredients to a boil in a large pot on the stove then simmer over low to medium heat, stirring often, until completely thickened.

    Spray a pie pan or small cake pan with non stick spray or vegetable oil. Pour mixture into pan and bake for 30-40 minutes until a toothpick or knife come out clean and edges are lightly browned.

    Delicious on its own or eat with marinara sauce, babaganoush or hummus.
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    Ok so I'm going on kind of a strange camping trip. My last major trip was a wilderness backpacking feat sleeping under tarps in twenty six degree nights with no fresh food in sight for four days. I did manage it vegan though along with another vegan in our four person group.

    Nothing like that.

    But it won't be car camping either so I can't bring fun stuff in coolers like Tofurky sausages with peppers and onions wrapped in foil over the fire nor will I be roasting vegan marshmallows.

    No this is a trip where we stay at the same campground and go on day hikes and swimming in between "classes" with an environmental conservation group. The restoration council is providing our dinners and they do vegetarian and agreed to do vegan for me so I seriously hope for fresh vegetables and fruits.

    That means I only have to bring breakfasts and lunches and lunch has to be cold due to day hikes etc.

    I'm proud of the affordable but filling options I chose.


    Choice of maple pecan or strawberry vanilla granola
    Vanilla vegan protein powder
    Dried coconut milk

    All mixed with hot water it's delicious. I took it on my back packing trip and it's a very tasty breakfast.

    Earl Grey tea bags


    Flour tortillas spread with almond butter and sprinkled with dried cranberries instead of jelly, rolled into sandwiches

    Canned tomato juice in individual serving tins (I don't have to worry about food weight since we will be at one campground for the five day trip)


    Luna and Clif bars (on sale this month)
    Primal vegan jerky
    Dried mango

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    I ride my bike, I roller skate don't drive no car, some people say I've done alright for a girl.

    Question everything around you. Question what other people say is ok to eat. Research other cultures, some people haven't eaten meat for generations, research them and climate change. Never stop learning.

    This is summed up nicely by American Horror Story Cult, when they all stab the whatever dude in the head, some saying sorry and crying, when you eat meat. It's no different. You're in a Carnist cult, indoctrinated in meat eating for no other reason than to serve capitalist interests. You don't need to eat meat to be healthy. You're used by a money making entity.

    Carnist beliefs are an invisible ethical system like racism. You aren't openly raised carnist or racist, but you get upset when people talk about animals or people of color.

    Evil doesn't succeed because of the evil. But because of the good men who do nothing.

    Live well.
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    @Forest Nymph

    I tried a jackfruit BBQ sandwich with vegan cheese and pickles on sourdough toast today. It was fantastic, thumbs up!
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    No, grass fed beef isn't one. No. Stop.


    I think some people are turned off by people who over-generalize things. Here's a few examples of areas which are truly up for debate.


    Local honey...ONLY local honey...commercial honey, companies like Sue Bee, et al are all trash, they kill bees and spread disease and feed hives gross stuff like high fructose corn syrup, it's a nightmare.

    But the good news is that there are vegetarians and vegans who raise bees for honey or to preserve healthy colonies of pollinators. Look into local bee keepers but if your only option is from Wal Mart or another chain store, try to stick to maple syrup or agave syrup.


    Bivalves probably aren't sentient. Afraid to give up fish? Think vegan DHA supplements are pricey? Concerned that you're one of those people who can't process flax seeds or walnuts into healthy, usable Omega 3s? Oysters, mussels and clams have no brains or central nervous systems. They're probably about as sentient as a sea sponge, meaning that they're extremely close to being a plant.

    NO that does not include any other sea life - crabs, lobsters, shrimp, fish are all capable of suffering, and octopi are extremely intelligent, eating octopus in particular is extremely cruel.

    Worried more about the environment than ethics? Again, bivalves are more environmentally friendly to farm and harvest than the over-fishing trawling methods of commercial fisheries.


    Let me make something perfectly clear: cage-free eggs are bullshit. It basically means the chicken has about six more inches to turn around, it doesn't mean the birds are cavorting around happily on a pleasant farm. Cage-free eggs are a welfarist compromise to the most hellish of factory farming. The only birds who have plenty of natural conditions to freely move around are called "pasture-raised" eggs ...and backyard eggs are even better, since you know the friend or neighbor is practicing ethical and ecologically friendly egg production.


    I've personally been a guest of a humane goat farm, a family who had farmed goats for dairy for over 100 years, without any slaughter for meat. The "unwanted" males serve as living lawnmowers and chomp away at invasive blackberry brambles. The females are milked about five minutes a day, split twelve hours apart into two brief milkings. The babies are allowed to be near the mothers and the juniors are bottle fed. All natural methods are employed to protect the goats, such as fencing, barns, guard llamas, and so forth. Is every goat farm like this? NOPE. But in terms of environmental sustainability it's much more eco-friendly to raise goats than to let cows dominate your fields.

    NOTE: I'm not claiming all of these things are vegan, some are obviously lacto-ovo vegetarian, but I'm offering realistic alternatives to people who see a huge difference between eating a pork chop and a spoonful of honey.

    Honestly, I know people who are "ethical vegetarians" who aren't even this ethical. They eat factory farmed dairy because it's cheaper, etc. One of the reasons why people go vegan, or totally plant-based, is to avoid this absurdity.

    However, at the end of the day, remember that it's definitely meat that's killing our planet by any statistical definition, all discussion of animal rights aside.
    Last edited by Forest Nymph; 08-31-2019 at 06:17 PM.

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    Hemp milk is excellent but costs more than almond. Don't worry almond milk is STILL more sustainable than dairy milk!
    I used to make a hemp milk by myself lol, it wasn't a medical hemp so the effect was rather specific, even stronger than from a cbd vaporizer Hemp products are rather expensive by themselves, no matter if it's an oil, soap, candle, etc.

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    @Forest Nymph has some nice posts on meals, and I think that honestly in terms of a vegan lifestyle, if that is what you are promoting, the most helpful way for people to follow is by making it easy to try. Those posts certainly achieve that. As a primary care provider and health researcher, I would say that it is important to add Vitamin D as a stand-alone supplement to what is going on there, especially in breast-feeding parents for children, but for all really, and to pay great attention to fat, protein, and zinc intake for young infants and children, as these are where vegan diets get into trouble. However, these do seem to be well represented in this diet. And as to eating twice vs three times a day, the caloric content of vegan diets is lower than protein rich diets of non-vegans, so eating three healthy meals a day seems great. The diverse foods listed are good, though as a medical provider that works almost exclusively with Medicaid and low-income families in the US, it is not inexpensive even when I encourage patients to grow their own food, so I think that is a truth that needs to be called out.

    Also, I think it is important to be honest when promoting a lifestyle choice. We have disagreed in the past about lifestyles - which is fine. As these recipes show, and research, you can raise a family well and healthily on a vegan or vegetarian diet if you pay more attention and a little more money. However, much of the posts that followed promoted inaccurate information based on anecdotal and experiental positing by the OP, which is not great. The content about dental health was not accurate - if you live in modern society and eat the things listed, you really need flouride in your toothpaste to keep teeth healthy. If you live in a tribe in East Africa that doesn't eat sugar (where I used to live) but do eat meat and dairy for example, your teeth can be perfect without flouridated water or toothpaste (there is research on this and I have seen the proof). It is the absence of sugar, the high Vitamin D and calcium intake that make this difference. Certainly people who eat meat or dairy don't "smell" terrible. Halitosis usually has to do with other factors - especially biofilm that is deposited in infants mouths by parents and caretakers that eat sugar and carb-rich diets during infancy, not brushing before bed and having a dry mouth that allows for bacterial growth (and not flossing!), and a range of other factors.

    At any rate, I would leave the medical advice side of these posts relegated to pop-culture extremism (for example elements of paleo like decreasing gluten intake especially for certain people and dairy have been associated with a decrease in particles that cause stress in the body and cellular fatigue, in peer-reviewed scientific articles). The recipes are great for a healthy approach to veganism, or for integrating healthy eating into anyone's diet several days a week or for different meals. Even if you do choose to eat meat, decreasing the amount of red meat that the average American eats is a good idea for overall health. A lot of good can be taken away from the posts here.

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    This is good stuff. Will look into it.
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