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This is a discussion on Your unique female body shape. within the Health and Fitness forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; @ Promethea , you forgot the hourglass category from the first article. I really like the idea behind the thread. ...

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    @Promethea, you forgot the hourglass category from the first article.

    I really like the idea behind the thread. The system below is my favorite and has been since I discovered it; rather than assessing women based on fat, it assesses them based on bone structure, which will never change, though it acknowledges that fat gain can change one's shape. The site also does quite a bit on body proportions, showing how being short in a certain measurement leads to more weight gain there (except for some of us weird ones).

    A (pear)
    O (apple)
    H (rectangle)
    I (boyish)
    X (low-hip hourglass)
    8 (high-hip hourglass)
    V (inverted triangle)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanerou View Post
    @Promethea , you forgot the hourglass category from the first article.

    I really like the idea behind the thread. The system below is my favorite and has been since I discovered it; rather than assessing women based on fat, it assesses them based on bone structure, which will never change. (As such, bust size doesn't figure into it at all.) The site also does quite a bit on body proportions, showing how being short in a certain measurement leads to more weight gain there (except for some of us weird ones).

    A (pear)
    O (apple)
    H (rectangle)
    I (boyish)
    X (low-hip hourglass)
    8 (high-hip hourglass)
    V (inverted triangle)
    oh shit.. oops.. lol

    thank you!

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Derange At 170 View Post
    Skimming, the bits on endo/ecto/mesomorphs aren't completely accurate. They're absolute theoretical 'models' and everyone exists on a scale between them (as explained accurately) but they're not actual body types. It is true that some people are more likely to gain fat and other muscles, but differences are largely neglicable.

    Those rail thin girls who can raid a whole fridge barely eat anything in the rest of the week and are probably fairly active. The girl that barely eats anything but still gains underestimates how much she eats and is fairly sedative.

    People will say they 'swear they eat everything but don't gain a pound' are overestimating how much they eat. A real life example would be my roommate. I lift weights; he doesn't. He's a stick, I'm built. When I just moved in, everyone swore he ate like a pig. But I was eating 3000 calories per day when I started bodybuilding and they were BLOWN AWAY by the sheer volume of my food. He doesn't count calories, but I do, accurately. And 3000 calories is just 500 more than what an average male should consume. They just noticed the large pizza who often eats, not taking into account that he barely eats anything at all beyond that.

    Even on another forum I post at, some guy was asking for help on how to gain weight. Another classic 'I eat everything in sight but I'm super skinny'. I told him to list a typical day's worth of food and I would count the calories for him. He thought he would be between 4000 and 5000 calories; he only eats 1800.

    Once you start tracking calories accurately, though you'll notice that you're eating far more or less than you've estimated.

    Just think about it. Everyone's bodytemperature is around 37 degrees celsius (give or take). Meaning, we have a similar metabolism. Compare our body temperature to that of a humming bird, who have a ridiculous metabolism and a body temperature of almost 42 degrees celsius. And then to the body temperature and metabolism of a sloth, which is just incredibly slow and low.

    From that, you should already be able to deduce that there isn't that much variation in metabolism in humans. Some factors, mostly hormonal, can influence metabolism. But other than some absolute outliers, they're usually caused by eating too little. For most people, it's safest to assume that you're not an outlier.

    But that's good news. You're not an unfortunate soul who was cursed with bad 'weight gain genetics'.

    This video explains it in pretty great detail for those who are curious:
    I'm not saying that, for example, all endomorphs are going to weigh 200 lbs no matter what - however I stand by everything that I actually said in the op, and I believe its dangerous to try to convince women that they can look like any body type they choose simply "with enough diet and exercise," because it is simply not true.

    I have read on plenty of fitness sites, that some people just won't get their body fat percentage low enough to show visibly ripped abs for example (because of their weight distribution). There was a case of a male dying from anorexia because he believed that he could get his bfp low enough for it - he couldn't apparently. Fat does not distribute in the same places on everyone. He died from undernourishment and still didn't have a visible 6-pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    to convince women that they can look like any body type they choose simply "with enough diet and exercise," because it is simply not true.
    how does some think it's possible to change how that works? (endomorphs etc.) isn't that the natural way the body burns and stores fat? how it deals with it.. it doesn't make sense to believe that that is changeable through normal diet and exercise the only way would be messing with your body's functions and appearance I guess.
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  6. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    I'm not saying that, for example, all endomorphs are going to weigh 200 lbs no matter what - however I stand by everything that I actually said in the op, and I believe its dangerous to try to convince women that they can look like any body type they choose simply "with enough diet and exercise," because it is simply not true.

    I have read on plenty of fitness sites, that some people just won't get their body fat percentage low enough to show visibly ripped abs for example (because of their weight distribution). There was a case of a male dying from anorexia because he believed that he could get his bfp low enough for it - he couldn't apparently. Fat does not distribute in the same places on everyone. He died from undernourishment and still didn't have a visible 6-pack.
    Now you're talking about fat distribution, in the OP you talked specifically about how easily "endomorphs" gain weight, which is a matter of metabolism:

    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    She was an endomorph: I had an endomorph lady once tell me that she could just smell cake and gain five lbs. The endo naturally gains fat easily -- but they also gain muscle easily.
    Genetically determined fat distribution has nothing to do with the speed and the ease at which you gain mass. You're changing the argument.

  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by AddictiveMuse View Post
    how does some think it's possible to change how that works? (endomorphs etc.) isn't that the natural way the body burns and stores fat? how it deals with it.. it doesn't make sense to believe that that is changeable through normal diet and exercise the only way would be messing with your body's functions and appearance I guess.
    Yeah.. The reason I mentioned before, that certain body types are more revered culturally, in whatever time period, is because those become these sort of icons that people strive to live up to.

    I remember in the 90s, how girls all lived on cigarettes and diet cola to try to look like a svelte banana/ectomorph when the waif model trend came out. Some ladies (about 8-10 percent I think it was) are naturally small framed, and thin, with an even weight distribution (creating a more straight than curvy figure). For the others who try to maintain it, they will have to restrict calories -too much- to achieve that look (imagine a large-framed inverted triangle with naturally large breasts for example, trying to starve herself into that shape - it doesn't work).

    In another thread, I'd also posted a link to an episode of intervention with a girl who was bulimic, and undernourished as fuck, but she still looked as healthy as I do. Her parents would even shake their heads and say people are lying about her eating disorder - but of course in the show we got to see the reality of it with the cameras rolling. She was also a dancer, so she was constantly active.

    She likely thought she should restrict more/workout more, because she "should" look more like a body type that she simply was not.

    So, where expectations of looking a way that someone does not, plays into this - well:

    - Its in the media (some body types are more revered culturally/in a time period), and then you are sold products and services that claim to "fix" your body, making it into the more socially celebrated type.

    - Sometimes when a girl begins to mature into a woman, the changes in her body give her an anxiety, and she becomes phobic toward these changes (The case in a lot of anorexics, who despise their growing breasts, widening hips, softening curves, etc..)

    - Some men who don't understand these things will also have weird expectations for their significant others. For example, a friend of mine with a short waist was dating a guy who had a fetish for a long waist on a banana body type, and though this girl was at the low end of her healthy weight, he kept trying to force her to keep losing, thinking that would have her waist longer. (Idiot, and abusive.)

    ^All of those things need to stop, basically. So thats the point of my thread - to show that people gain weight easier, harder, in different places, and that its all ok in its own rite. : )
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  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Derange At 170 View Post
    Now you're talking about fat distribution, in the OP you talked specifically about how easily "endomorphs" gain weight, which is a matter of metabolism:



    Genetically determined fat distribution has nothing to do with the speed and the ease at which you gain mass. You're changing the argument.
    If you have something to actually prove that no one ever gains weight easier than anyone else, then by all means share it.

    Until then, ALL of this is nutrition and fitness theory.
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  9. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    If you have something to actually prove that no one ever gains weight easier than anyone else, then by all means share it.
    False dilemma. I posted that the differences are minute, not non-existing, with a video explaining it in great detail + my own reasoning you did not bother to debunk logically.

    And this is the second time you're changing the argument after I pointed out that a specific type of fat distribution doesn't equal weight gain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    Until then, ALL of this is nutrition and fitness theory.
    Now you're making an appeal to ignorance

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Derange At 170 View Post
    I posted that the differences are minute, not non-existing]
    Yeah, cool, I agree that the differences exist too.

    And thanks for the bonus defensive use of logical fallacies, it proves that your ego needs this more than mine does. I am a little annoyed though, that you tried to turn a positive thread into a heel-nipping session.
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  11. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by AddictiveMuse View Post
    Ah I gain weight too easily endomorph it's so frustrating some girls eat the whole fucking fridge and still are as thin as a stick me on the other hand I don't eat much, (don't excersise too much, but neither do they..) as for body type, pear maybe I have large hips, but large boobs too, some weird hourglass maybe, I've never actually measured some people say pear others say hourglass...(Haha a girl can dream can't she?) Oh and thanks @Promethea for the post it was very interesting to read.
    Yeah, I think larger breasts can happen across the board, but they're just less common in some types than others.

    If one's measurements come up as smaller on top than bottom or vice versa, they're likely not an hourglass. I read an article a while back on celebrities whos figures look like hourglass, but don't have the measurements for it - I think angelina jolie was one of them.
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