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    Nutrition and weight loss is the most scientific...what? I'm sorry but that is nonsense. If it were so easy, there would not be so much research going into obesity. It is plain ignorant to boil weight down to calories. I could go into this in depth, and I have, as I have researched this topic incredibly thoroughly. However I don't feel like typing it all now when the information is quite easy to google by searching for phrases including "obesity", "inflammation", "insulin resistance", "toxicity", "sex hormones", etc. all of which are substantial factors in the weight loss "equation."

    Once again, and for the last time, yes, exercise can cause inflammation which can cause weight gain if the body is already very inflamed. I honestly don't care to hear any more about BMR because right now it is simply not a factor. Exercising does not. Lead. To weight loss, for me. The opposite happens. I could pull up several articles describing everything I have said so far, but I really see no point as it would benefit no one. So let this be the end of this sidebar. Thank you to the people who listened and tried to help, I appreciate it. As I said, I probably made a mistake posting in this thread in the first place and I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    LOL, sorry but I just had to comment on that bolded part. Medicine is the ultimate science mate, it combines everything. Nutrition is much more guesstimations, than other healthcare professions, even the clinical part.
    The ultimate science? According to who and by what standard? I was going by the standards of being empirical and predictable. Two qualities which are the least strongest values in medicine compared to the hard sciences.

    I think you're just full of it.

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    Now, now children. We already have the cure of obesity, anyways. It's called ADDERALL! WHOOO!

    But seriously, there are a lot of factors that play into obesity, but yet it all boils down to calorie surplus and macronutrients balance. Sure, there are some medical conditions such as insulin resistance which is pre-diabetes that can cause obesity, but yet, it can still be managed with a healthy diet and proper excercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNiS View Post
    The ultimate science? According to who and by what standard? I was going by the standards of being empirical and predictable. Two qualities which are the least strongest values in medicine compared to the hard sciences.

    I think you're just full of it.
    I explained in the following comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    I explained in the following comments.
    You didn't explain anything other than expressing disagreement. If you were to say medicine were a skilled profession then I would agree with you.

    Going by empiricism and predictability, what I said is still true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNiS View Post
    You didn't explain anything other than expressing disagreement. If you were to say medicine were a skilled profession then I would agree with you. Being a physician requires extensive knowledge, accurate judgment and good perception.
    I did, read back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    I did, read back.
    You're referring to these two posts, right?

     
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    Because it combines all other sciences to understand and work. A good nutritionist knows their biochemistry too, but most nutritionists around the world know next to nothing about biochemistry.
    By side effects you mean the pharmaceutical part of it right? I'm not referring to that necessarily, and that part of it is what's similar to nutrition since it's heavily relied on epidemiology and clinical testings which can be very hit or miss on individual cases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    All the rest that a doctor and a surgeon does. Understanding physiology and what changes in disease. How to treat it using drugs is just a part of it, and doctors don't create drugs, they just need to know how to use them, which is what I said in the previous sentence.
    Of course that doesn't mean doctors can do everything as one person can't know everything. Which is why nutrition is a separate field now. So, I would definitely not consider nutrition to be more scientific than other healthcare fields, that is just absurd. Especially the weight loss part. Just the equations we're using are a huge guesstimate. There are dozens of them, some with big differences with each other in their results. It's no wonder, it's doubly indirect calorimetry and can be very inaccurate if the person has a condition that changes their metabolism; hypo/hyperthyroidism can reduce/increase BRM by even up to 50%, so if you had 1500kcal BMR you now have a BMR as low as 750kcal in hypo and an equation won't tell you that. Which is why I asked @Yearight if she's had an RMR breath test as it's much more accurate and in her case, the best way to calculate her energy needs.


    None of which proves your assertion that medicine is the science of all sciences. Because it isn't. It's just another branch of science. Anyway, that's really beside the point. I was saying nutrition is the most scientific because the cause and effect relationship are empirical and predictable to a very large degree. Medicine otherwise can be argued that it's almost as much of an art as it is a science. Perhaps I should've stated that from the beginning to avoid confusion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNiS View Post
    You're referring to these two posts, right?

     




    None of which proves your assertion that medicine is the science of all sciences. Because it isn't. It's just another branch of science. Anyway, that's really beside the point. I was saying nutrition is the most scientific because the cause and effect relationship are empirical and predictable to a very large degree. Medicine otherwise can be argued that it's almost as much of an art as it is a science. Perhaps I should've stated that from the beginning to avoid confusion though.
    Have you studied the human body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    Have you studied the human body?
    Yes, actually I have. Not in school but on my own as a kid. Anatomy is a biological science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNiS View Post
    Yes, actually I have. Not in school but on my own as a kid. Anatomy is a biological science.
    That's nothing, like reading places on a map. Cell biology, genetics, biochemistry, systems biology, physiology, all of it together, and to realise it all. Might change your mind.
    Yeahright thanked this post.


     
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