[INFJ] How to deal with evil/misguided People who dehumanize and try to hurt you?

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    INFJ

    How to deal with evil/misguided People who dehumanize and try to hurt you?

    Hello, i'm new here, but lurking since a long time and very into MBTI, it gave me a great tool to understand myself and others.

    Since i am an INFJ Enneagramm 1 i see myself driven by doing the right thing, sadly this kind of behaviour is not always welcomed.

    I found myself in the situation of being stalked and branded as a bad person mostly by extremist groups and misguided people who think they are doing good.
    My crime was basically telling the truth about a lot of topics, like Feminism, Race and IQ, biological Differences between people and standing up for the agonized people of my homeland who are afraid of speaking out while facing a lot of rapes, child abuse, manslaughter and other kinds of abuse by foreigners who have been let into the country by corrupt elites and brainwashed Ideologues.

    The Media is really pushing a narrative that brands me as an enemy, i get completely devalued by those people, they dig into my private live and try to hurt my emotionally while stalking me and threatening me physically. They don't seem to know any boundaries, since i am very open about abuse i faced to break the taboo, they have a lot to taunt me with and i am just shocked how far those people go.

    I'm not sure why i am writing this, maybe i just need to rant about this and don't know where else to put it.
    I just don't get how people can be so cruel, they don't even know me but look at me like i was the worst person ever only because i try to help my people and tell the truth.

    I know that this world is not fair, I'm very far from being naive, and i guess i understand how people work to some degree, but it is very difficult for me to be such a sensitive and kind hearted person to be put in a situation where the people are told to "let loose" all ther internal frustration and lash it out on you as a person, completely dehumanizing you.

    I also have an ISFJ stalker now, he is an contra-phobic 6 and talks about harming people who have a different opinion than himself a lot on social media. I tried to de-escalate after he threatened me, but he is very radicalised and seems to feel nothing for me than a will of destruction.
    I did never do anything to him, but for him i am the enemy.

    I don't know how to deal with this, maybe i do, but venting about this made me feel better all-ready, thanks for taking the time to read this, and sorry if this is somehow inappropriate here.
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    Where do you people keep coming from?

    "race and IQ"

    Boy, we're off to a good start here.

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    INFJ

    Please don't make this about politics, if you want to dig into this please do your own research, i don't want this to get all controversial all again, i am really looking for some help or support for the troubles i am facing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyre View Post
    Please don't make this about politics, if you want to dig into this please do your own research, i don't want this to get all controversial all again, i am really looking for some help or support for the troubles i am facing.
    I'm making this about politics? It sure sounds to me like politics is intrinsically related to what you're dealing with; it cannot be divorced from it.. And no thank you, I have yet to see a convincing argument from you. All I see is hysterical, emotion based reasoning, 150 year old pamphlets, and links to random, sketchy corners of the internet. It has all the scientific validity of Flat Earth.

    If you involve yourself in politics, like, genuinely, seriously involved, you will face backlash for your views. This is inevitable. That's just how politics is. If you can't stand that heat, you need to get out of the kitchen.

    Assuming that your word on this matter is true, obviously stalking isn't good, and if this is really what's happening, I would inform the police. These are almost certainly illegal in your country, even on social media. Additionally, you can oppose your country's immigration policies without bringing up this neo-phrenology horseshit.
    Last edited by Rebelgoatalliance; 09-22-2018 at 08:03 PM.
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    I don't think that the factual accuracy of what i mentions is really that relevant to this, because even if i was wrong (which i am not) it does not really change anything with my situation also assuming that i am not rational only because i type as INFJ is completely wrong and biased.

    I hope i can send you a PM because i don't want to lay all the sources down here because i genuinely looking for a solution to my problem and not for an IQ discussion.

    Thanks for the second and third paragraphs, this looks helpful. I will send you a message.

    Edit: I can not send you any messages yet, here just a quick link to a study, i will take it out afterwards, because i do not want to derail this:
    Last edited by Lyre; 09-23-2018 at 02:20 AM.
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    what about leaving the city? if in the states--move to a new state?
    I learned this myself over time. I believe enneagram 1 and 9 as well as simply, infj learn what the world is really like. We must be smart and vigilant--know what to say the right time, know when to be invisible.
    If this was a workplace scenario, there are support organizations out there, even within the company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyre View Post
    I found myself in the situation of being stalked and branded as a bad person mostly by extremist groups and misguided people who think they are doing good.
    My crime was basically telling the truth about a lot of topics, like Feminism, Race and IQ, biological Differences between people and standing up for the agonized people of my homeland who are afraid of speaking out while facing a lot of rapes, child abuse, manslaughter and other kinds of abuse by foreigners who have been let into the country by corrupt elites and brainwashed Ideologues.
    I'm going to assume your "drive to do the right thing" actively contributes to feeding prejudice and ruining people's lives. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and many people throughout history have promoted absurd ideologies for the sake of doing what is "right" or expressing what they saw as absolute truths.

    That being said, stalking is a crime. You can always seek the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyre View Post
    Hello, i'm new here, but lurking since a long time and very into MBTI, it gave me a great tool to understand myself and others.

    Since i am an INFJ Enneagramm 1 i see myself driven by doing the right thing, sadly this kind of behaviour is not always welcomed.

    I found myself in the situation of being stalked and branded as a bad person mostly by extremist groups and misguided people who think they are doing good.
    My crime was basically telling the truth about a lot of topics, like Feminism, Race and IQ, biological Differences between people and standing up for the agonized people of my homeland who are afraid of speaking out while facing a lot of rapes, child abuse, manslaughter and other kinds of abuse by foreigners who have been let into the country by corrupt elites and brainwashed Ideologues.

    The Media is really pushing a narrative that brands me as an enemy, i get completely devalued by those people, they dig into my private live and try to hurt my emotionally while stalking me and threatening me physically. They don't seem to know any boundaries, since i am very open about abuse i faced to break the taboo, they have a lot to taunt me with and i am just shocked how far those people go.

    I'm not sure why i am writing this, maybe i just need to rant about this and don't know where else to put it.
    I just don't get how people can be so cruel, they don't even know me but look at me like i was the worst person ever only because i try to help my people and tell the truth.

    I know that this world is not fair, I'm very far from being naive, and i guess i understand how people work to some degree, but it is very difficult for me to be such a sensitive and kind hearted person to be put in a situation where the people are told to "let loose" all ther internal frustration and lash it out on you as a person, completely dehumanizing you.

    I also have an ISFJ stalker now, he is an contra-phobic 6 and talks about harming people who have a different opinion than himself a lot on social media. I tried to de-escalate after he threatened me, but he is very radicalised and seems to feel nothing for me than a will of destruction.
    I did never do anything to him, but for him i am the enemy.

    I don't know how to deal with this, maybe i do, but venting about this made me feel better all-ready, thanks for taking the time to read this, and sorry if this is somehow inappropriate here.
    So there are a few lessons learned that you need to be aware of.

    As a 1 your issue primarily is twofold, judgement on the one hand and then resentment that you perhaps have a proper judgement and others do not and they do not listen to your present tense corrections. That is the cross you must bear so to speak.

    A 1 is an order type and the source of 1 anger is filtered through fear of that which is wrong. Fear is the source of all order.

    So, order is a dangerous thing to broadcast. Order is related to death and cold and therefore it is usually quiet and careful, orderly. The 1 and the 2 are both odd order types, in that they are usually more vocal than the 6 is. The 6 is the core of fear and of order. The 2 is often extroverted and endearing, even if they are manipulative. But NO ONE is naturally predisposed to liking being judged. Therefore the role and virtue of a 1, order in the present tense, is thankless. The best case scenario to avoid internet harassment et.al. is to create a nom de web alias. Then, like Sandman, do your own show and say what you have to say without it getting back to your name and identity.

    It sounds like it may too late for you with respect to this ANTIFA style harasser. Just remember that COUNTER-phobic 6s are hot iron. Hot iron means they respond well to loudness and self promotion. If you coldplay them, they are not as effective or as interested. Also, sticks and stones, right? Are you also a type 3 and you think your online image is you? How exactly is the cp6 going to make good on his threats?

    So, anger types and then seemingly cp6s as well because they are so afraid they push it into anger charging, are full of sound and fury, but, although it does signify how they feel, their anger changes with how they feel. So, again, waiting or time is a great quench. The cp6 in this case is a worse foe, because they are solid grudge-holders, unlike anger types.

    I admire your standing up for the truth, despite the difficulties, but, you should consider the frame in which you deliver your truth. Yes, it is tempting to stand and be recognized for your positions, but, make sure the risk is worth it. As Mr Oliphant would say, the juice had better be worth the squeeze. 1s are driven to speak up against that which they believe is incorrect. You have to decide the level of hidden order you want to use to support your stance. 1s need the support of societal structures to invest their positions and beliefs with authority. Hence judges and teaches and referees. Notice that the structure supports their judgments. Being a freestyle 1 denies the central truth of order, which is group hierarchy and group empowerment. Realize that and take steps to change your method in a way that has less negative consequences for you.

    Good luck!
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    I would suggest you study more on MBTI and the Enneagram, as your attempts to type others seem flawed. What on earth is a "contra-phobic 6" ? Haven't seen that in the literature... also the behavior you are attempting to attribute to the type doesn't line up.
    Some foolish people mistakenly think that 6's in a counterphobic state are inherently angry about everything, when really it's all about defense, so if you stay away from them & those they are protecting they will forget you exist.
    Either you typed this "ISFJ" wrong, or you are not the victim, but you can't have it both ways.

    In terms of the Enneagram, prosecutorial anger is triggered in:
    • 1's when their mores are offended
    • 8's when they believe something is theirs and it is taken
    • 2's when their love is not reciprocated and appreciated
    • 6's when you endanger them or their closest loved ones
    • 4's when you assault their personal emotional self (perceived insults)
    and that's about it for the angry enneagram types.


    On another aspect of this topic;
    A very basic tenet of "fighting for what you believe in", is that once you stick your nose out there, it's in danger of catching a flying fist.
    In other terms, how can you expect to have a war of words without any words flying your way in return? You really think everyone should just be quiet and listen to you, for no other reason than that you say so?

    I too tend to speak up for what I believe in, although on the opposite side of the spectrum from you. No one has ever stalked me or put me in fear, mostly because I stick to matters that can be argued rather than devolving into personal attacks, broad stereotyping, and other inflammatory behavior.

    So my advice is that if you want to keep being an activist, listen to some of the feedback you're getting about the way you comport yourself, regardless of what side they're on or what the rest of their argument consists of. If 50% of people find your manner offensive, then it's not the news that is to blame for the reactions you get. Does that make sense?
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    The mood of the original post resonated with me, even though others have picked out some points they find disagreeable or whatever.
    Being different will never be easy in my opinion. The worst part to me is when I speak of my deep pain(which sometimes includes pain for the whole of society), and someone reprimands me for speaking about it, bringing even more pain. Not only does not everyone feel for their fellow beings, but they certainly don't act on it. It seems righteous.

    The world is obviously in a quite insane and chaotic state. From what I observe, the types that are heralded in the world are not necessarily the ones who are the most honorable, honest, or kind, and if you find yourself honorable, honest, and kind then stick to it. It sounds like you have an energy driving you that is similar to mine, and it doesn't need outside reassurance, it simply needs to protect itself from others.
    Last edited by StableSun35; 09-22-2018 at 10:13 PM.
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