[INFJ] Beach Culture vs Desert/Mountain culture (in need of deeper iNFJ perspective)

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This is a discussion on Beach Culture vs Desert/Mountain culture (in need of deeper iNFJ perspective) within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Simple... I'm moving from Vegas to Tampa, Fl. For those who have the experience, what is the difference between desert/mountain ...

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    Beach Culture vs Desert/Mountain culture (in need of deeper iNFJ perspective)

    Simple... I'm moving from Vegas to Tampa, Fl.

    For those who have the experience, what is the difference between desert/mountain vs beach culture.

    Sorry! No further context and/or details (for the Ti heavy INFJs). Just take it and run with it. Take it wherever your INFJ mind goes (abstract).

    Fair warning! It's me asking this question, so you know I am looking for a cultural/social aspect. Therefore, if you have no experience in either, it does you no good to respond as such.

    3, 2, 1, go....

    Thanks many in advance because I know other types aren't interested in this type of stuff.
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    I think the difference will have more to do with Nevada to Florida.

    I've been in several different areas with very similar settings--city, ocean/bay, mountains--but their cultural flavors are quite different and feel more determined by the greater cultural context of state, country, etc..

    I can't speak directly to deserts or beaches (I do have beaches around here but it's not a dominant part of the culture). I've also never lived on the East coast, only visited, and then only more north. However just from travels, a bit south of me there is a lot more of a big beach city/area, and from those experiences I would say there is a different feel of being more casual, outdoorsy in a relaxed way, and maybe more into appearances (but the city has such a strong and unique culture too that it's hard to distinguish what is necessarily the biggest informant of its feel, everything plays a part).

    I would say though that pretty much uniformly, coastal cities just feel more sophisticated and culturally rich because they have so much history and the older they are, the more history of trade and exposure to other cultures they have. I'm not sure how much Tampa would fit into that, but that's all I have! Coastal cities feel more broad than their physical confines, both in layout and in time.

    I hope you have a good move!

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    Well if you like humidity to the point where "air that you can wear" Florida is the right place but at least the temps are much lower so it balances out beyond that all you will have to worry about in daily life is the horrendous traffic.

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    You guys are lucky in the States. I'm up in Canada and I moved from west coast to central/mountain--also visited a little east but did not notice much culturally. Well the only thing I missed was the large artist life on the coast. Here there are art schools and even if you go there , you may not really see any art. I almost find it a conspiracy!
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    I've lived in Tampa before. About two hours drive from there now, but I've also lived in Florida most of my life.
    For some of the teenage / early adult years, we moved between a few states, including Idaho, Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina, and when I was a flight attendant I was stationed in Virginia (Dulles).

    Anyway, I'd say there's a pretty common theme running through most of the U.S. ... City folk act like city folk, and country folk like, well you get the point.
    Florida does put it it's own spin on things (getting back to that in a minute).

    Tampa is firmly in "city" territory. Most of it is quite densely populated. Like a lot of Florida cities it's quite sprawling... we don't really build "up" to any significant degree.
    There are some really rundown areas, as well as concrete jungles of offices and such, and then there are the ritzy areas, which are mostly populated with old retirees from up north.
    One interest is Ybor city, with a thriving nightlife, lots of gay clubs, and a bunch of scientologists running around (be careful of them). It's like someone took a small slice of California and plunked it down within the Tampa area.

    There's not a lot of beach access in Tampa. The water is blocked off with buildings, and the coast isn't always accessible. If you're picturing Miami or Daytona Beach, don't. It's really become more of a business hub than anything.
    But, as anyone living anywhere in Florida, you definitely do have access to quality beaches with a bit of driving. Study a map before you move. If your exact location is yet to be determined, try to angle for the north or southern outskirts of the city... probably the better beaches are south. Sarasota has some really lovely ones, and that's not too much of a drive.


    Florida beaches are mostly people. Lots and lots of half naked people. Not all the half naked people are people others want to see half naked, if you get my drift.

    As a mostly-Floridian, I have come to understand something most northerns take time to learn.
    Stay out of the water!!!
    I don't mean the sea... You'll probably be ok in the salt, as long as you avoid shark areas and jellyfish season (there are tiny ones that don't kill but hurt like heck).
    What I really mean is the fresh water. Ponds are not swimming holes. Rivers are not fun. They are deathtraps where enterprising, lurking gators wait for a bite of northern human flesh.
    Not everyone will extend you this warning. Some locals will even encourage swimming. But, you have to understand, someone must be sacrificed to satiate the indigenous reptiles with massive maws, and they simply hope it is not them.


    Back to that unique Florida spin I promised earlier.
    About half of locals are young people who were born here. These young people party, drive fast, cut each other off, get impatient in line, and all the normal stuff you'd expect...
    The other half of the population, almost everywhere in the state, are old retirees from up north.
    These older folks often hail from places like New York, the east coast, and even farmland like Ohio and Michigan. Basically anywhere that their testicles started to freeze in the winter and where California seemed too far away to warm up in.
    That division of origins means that some older folks are the biggest entitled jerks you will ever meet in your life, and some are sweet as pie, but you never know what you're going to get.

    It's a challenge here not to become ageist... As much as anyone might personally enjoy older minds to chat with... It's another thing entirely when the roads and lines are filled with grey hair going exceptionally slower than any reasonable mind would see as necessary. 10mph under the limit. Counting out dollars one by one.
    So the highways can be scary... and oh my, now that I think of it, Tampa is one of the worst locations for highway traffic. Mostly due to somewhat insane design of those roads. There's a freeway loop around the central area which any newcomer is quite likely to go around more times than necessary, missing exits, because the signs come up faster than one can change over 4 lanes... and don't even get me started on I-4.
    There's also a really cool, miles-long bridge which is a great place to see the water, sunsets, and even dolphins jumping (there are scenic stop areas, if there's room I do recommend!). Although as part of the nutty highway, if you accidentally get yourself on this bridge, you will be stuck driving an extra half hour before you can get off it and turn around. It will probably happen once or twice early on, and at inconvenient moments thereafter.

    There's also a very inconveniently placed tollbooth in Tampa. One of the only tolls in Florida, which seems to be designed to punish the citizens.
    My advice, buy a yearly Sunpass ASAP, you'll save a lot and get in the fast lane through.

    Let's see, what else... Oh. The police are fairly predatory in Florida. Mostly they want your money from fines to fund the departments. I don't know how it is in Vegas, but the only place I've lived with more aggressive traffic cops was in Virginia near D.C.
    Here, if you're moving with a lot of traffic, at almost any speed regardless of signs, you should be fine... but if you're separate from a pack make sure you toe the line, blink before every turn, and NO California rolls! There are a lot of traffic cops looking for naughty lone sheep, so don't underestimate them, and don't let those crazy Tampa highways push you into rash moves (like swinging over a grass median in a fit of frustration).
    And always, always, always, be on the lookout for Q-tips driving excessively slow, erratically, and maybe having a heart attack behind the wheel.
    In good news, we have some pretty nice hospitals. It might be the best state to have a heart attack in, as the doctors get a lot of practice. My fatber had 4, several surgeries, and would have survived the last had he not gone overseas and contracted staph.

    Anywho, I digress. Oh... You're going to have to come to an understanding of what "Florida Man" is. A quick internet search should help you.
    "Florida man shoots gun at Hurricane, hoping to scare it away"
    "Florida man eats face off friend"
    "Florida man commits suicide, stages own murder with weather balloon as accomplice for insurance benefits"
    (all real stories, just google it)

    Also, if you want a good experience when grocery shopping, choose Publix.

    Don't count on needing cold weather clothing, maybe a sweatshirt or two? And that not until January.
    Don't go out in the sun in summer, you will surely perish.
    Don't complain about the humidity, no one likes a whiner. Yes, everyone feels the river running through it.
    Don't walk near a pond/river. Same reason as Do NOT Swim mentioned earlier.
    Palmetto bugs are real. They go for the face/hair. Locals know - Do Not Engage. Duck & Cover. Run away quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschel View Post
    You guys are lucky in the States. I'm up in Canada and I moved from west coast to central/mountain--also visited a little east but did not notice much culturally. Well the only thing I missed was the large artist life on the coast. Here there are art schools and even if you go there , you may not really see any art. I almost find it a conspiracy!
    I envy you in Canada!! I have (had) family in BC and I love it there (I haven't been many other places in the country though). It feels so much more European just crossing the border:). I think the greater arts living on the coasts is overall fairly true of the states as well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake Minuet View Post
    I envy you in Canada!! I have (had) family in BC and I love it there (I haven't been many other places in the country though). It feels so much more European just crossing the border:). I think the greater arts living on the coasts is overall fairly true of the states as well though.
    Thank you! I will keep that in mind when I visit (I want to try visiting alone!). I see Illinois is a little bit in the center, or maybe it is considered on the east--I always thought Chicago had an art life, with what you hear on TV or books (art history) and in shows, movies. I have visited some states--I do remember long highways a lot and stetches of plain houses. I think that was something that surprised me definitely because I don't see this of the States on TV and in movies (or documentaries). However eventually you hit something very scenic, like the cobblestone in Savannah (I think cars were not allowed anywhere--in Montreal, this is the same, also known as a European city).
    Perhaps I would enjoy Canada more if I drove a car. It's just that my idea of the States is each state or almost each being quite special and having its own 'thing', much like Japan. There is a lot more citylife in general and mail/online order is also very cheap in-country.

    I can imagine you'd enjoy BC. Something that would fit Frasier as well lol or the greenhouse orchid. I have been able to adapt to my surroundings, interestingly, and I can still find coffee that fascinates me lol, as well as other things. Soon though I will try online shopping =P

    Thinking about it more, actually at work my coworkers were talking about the culture of west, central, east. Where I am (mountains), people don't really go out at night (or on weekends)--people tend to like to stay home. People talk about how people here mostly drive cars (actually affects the culture I think--people do less of exploration or to go for walks, try new things).
    Even within clubs, it's easier to really find something alive in the west. People reading books, art, etc. here it's just not happening lol. People do not have a zest for life, I guess.

    However in both places, both kinds like to go hiking or camping, etc.

    I'll also add on the west coast, people are more active. People share their weed and whatever, their music, their theatre, their art goes on public spaces or places that are about to be torn down, a temporary gallery, even books they publish themselves--

    I still behave like a westerner or metropolitan person I would say... I cannot get it out of my blood.
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