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This is a discussion on INFJ 6w5 within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I've been thinking about this combination lately. It really colors the way we use our functions and it's somewhat difficult ...

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    INFJ 6w5

    I've been thinking about this combination lately. It really colors the way we use our functions and it's somewhat difficult to find INFJ 6w5's. Sooo here's my little analysis of the lot, please tell me if it make sense for you other INFJ 6w5s out there.

    The easiest way to describe INFJ 6w5 is caution bordering on paranoia. This is likely due to the thinking styles of the 6w5 coloring our cognitive function use...which alone is somewhat conductive of fear. For those that aren't familiar with Enneagram, Type 6 is generally plagued by anxiety in their search for a feeling of certainty and support. They're deeply afraid of being unsupported and they're generally cautious people. Type 6 people with a 5 wing has a little dose of Type 5 as well. Type 5 is the innovator, thinker type. They gather information relentlessly in order to feel certain about the world, which gives them a feeling of security. If we combine the two we get a cautious, somewhat fearful person that has a strong craving for certainty and knowledge. For them more than almost anyone else, knowledge is power. This becomes even more apparent when we take a look at INFJ cognitive functions under the influence of 6w5.

    Ni 6w5: Introverted Intuition plugged into the energy of 6w5 is the primary source of the INFJ 6w5's fear as well as security. Ni is a future oriented function and it loves attempting to visualize the future, or various possibilities. Combine that with a good dose of classic Type 6 fear, and we see that Ni is a fantastic way to develop paranoia for these people. It's easy for this flavor of INFJ to get pegged as a pessimist, because they can always see what could go wrong. INFJ 6w5s are extremely good at predicting problems before they happen, which causes them to be in an almost constant state of anxiety. The 5 wing especially shows itself when the INFJ 6w5 attempts to gather as much information as he can in the present moment to try and know for sure if his visions of a particular outcome are likely. Situations in which the INFJ 6w5 using Ni go into blind are usually the most stressful for this flavor of INFJ and unless evidence turns them away from it, they'll almost immediately look for problems. It causes fear for the INFJ 6w5, but it's actually helpful in that it helps them to brace for problems before they even happen, resulting in a lot of "Gee, that wasn't as bad as I thought." moments.

    Ni for this group of INFJ isn't all bad though. INFJ 6w5s often use it as a means of finding safety through fantasy or pure idealism. In freetime they may engage in drawn out fantasies in which they are safe, self assured, and certain, which alleviates many of their anxieties. A spiritual practice that allows for the possibility of transcending stress are extremely helpful for this group.

    Fe: Extraverted Feeling on the INFJ 6w5 is where you are able to see them at both their best and worst. Fe is a group values oriented function; it wants to connect with the group and it supports social harmony. This is ESPECIALLY so for the INFJ 6w5. INFJ 6w5s often look to others for support, for good or ill. Remember, feeling unsupported and uncertain are there greatest fears, so in social settings they are extremely fearful of criticism or rejection. They are extremely cautious in social engagements in order to avoid losing friends that they don't even have yet. INFJ 6w5s may find themselves forming surrogate families among friends to feed their need to belong and to make others feel like they belong. Of course making friends isn't immensely easy for the INFJ 6w5 because they are quite naturally distrustful of others. For them to actually reach out to another, they must feel absolutely, positively sure that they're safe. This usually takes a great deal of time as the INFJ 6w5 uses her 5 Wing influenced Fe to gather information about the person until the person becomes predictable and thus "safe". The inherent contradiction poses many problems for the INFJ 6w5 in social engagements: they both want to be a part of and reject social structures. They want friends but at a distance, they want to belong but not completely. This is due to Type 6, which want security in a group conflicting with Type 5, which wants to be an innovator. The more evolved INFJ 6w5s calm this conflict through creating a loyal group outside of what's considered "normal" socially. INFJ 6w5s are very likely to champion the underdog.

    Ti: Introverted Thinking gets a lot of usage for the INFJ 6w5 as the two Enneagram types are thinking types. Like the other functions, Ti both a source of fear and safety. More so than many other INFJs, INFJ 6w5 analyze everything. First they run it through their Ni, which usually either a) Gives a negative outcome or b) Shows the possibility for safety. The INFJ 6w5 will then using their Ti to gather and analyze information in order to determine, with certainty, what will happen. INFJ 6w5s are information sponges and they're probably the most analytical of the NF types. No idea just stands for the INFJ 6w5, they question everything, even themselves, relentlessly, running it through their Ti checking for accuracy. Obviously this 6 influenced Ti may be a tremendous source of self doubt as the INFJ 6w5 will question and analyze themselves constantly. On the brightside they are extremely self aware and humble. What they may see as a lack of self confidence is a tremendous gift of skepticism that stops them from becoming naive.

    Se: Extraverted Sensing for the INFJ 6w5 is borderline nonexistent consciously. 6w5 are mentally oriented so INFJ 6w5s are extremely likely to ignore both physical reality AND the present moment. Funnily enough, strong sensory impressions (loud sounds, harsh tastes, or too much feeling) may be source of fear and stress for the INFJ 6w5 because it forces their minds to actually live in awareness of the present moment. INFJ 6w5s are usually future oriented and when they're not looking at the future, they're analyzing the past for information, or perceiving the present through their intuition which IS NOT living in the present moment.

    So these are just a collection of my thoughts, theories and personal experiences as someone who both is, and has creepily observed other INFJ 6w5s. If anyone (especially other INFJ 6w5s) want to tell me how right (or wrong) I am, please make yourself heard!
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    The easiest way to describe INFJ 6w5 is caution bordering on paranoia.


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    Hello 6w5 INFJ :), I relate to most of your thoughts on the matter. Here are some comments I have:

    It's easy for this flavor of INFJ to get pegged as a pessimist, because they can always see what could go wrong. INFJ 6w5s are extremely good at predicting problems before they happen, which causes them to be in an almost constant state of anxiety.

    I agree with this. I'd like to add that if the individual is unhealthy (too much time in isolation ---> disconnected from the pulse of reality) or has gathered incomplete or false information from his sources
    it's also possible to exaggerate or even invent problems that do not exist or at least have very little rational basis. It helps to engage the Extraverted Feeling function here to make sure it's not a bout of catastrophizing and perhaps learn from what the consensus seems to be, and why it is such. I like to use this sparingly though.
    You're very right in saying that there's always an eye trained on the dangers and issues ahead. I tried living without for a while... the recollection of that bothers me. I'd rather be overly responsible than exciting and reckless (in most situations anyway.. >:D).

    Fe: Extraverted Feeling on the INFJ 6w5 is where you are able to see them at both their best and worst.
    This is a good way of describing it. The ability to see both side of a person isn't ours alone but we might be more willing than other types to shift our perception of that person to make sense of them. I don't like to dwell on the darkness of people too much, it can be overwhelming if it becomes a habit, but just knowing that the good exists is usually enough to placate those fears.

    INFJ 6w5s often look to others for support, for good or ill.
    Yes, I find it helpful to enlist the perspective of others to deal with the potential issue of imagining problems I mentioned. If they can't provide anything certain to lead to a solution, it's still good to know someone has your back. I wonder how much instinct variant comes into play here though. I'm primarily a self-preservation type (maybe that's redundant here) so it's not really my first preference to seek out help from others for problems I might be able to solve alone. I'm adverse to opening the door to my vulnerabilities for others to see sometimes. That said...
    INFJ 6w5s may find themselves forming surrogate families among friends to feed their need to belong and to make others feel like they belong.
    Yes, and it's hell when the stability of the group is threatened or there's inner discord -_-

    What they may see as a lack of self confidence is a tremendous gift of skepticism that stops them from becoming naive.
    What others* may see... being aware of your limitations is not a lack of confidence, it's pragmatism. Why play to your weaknesses when there may very well be other options to explore?

    It also makes for some pretty good self-deprecating humour.
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    Fairly bang on description. *high five*

    Speaking for myself, I think one of the reasons why I really adore obsessive / "clingy" people as partners is because it really overrides some of those natural insecurities 6w5's are prone to have. Realistically, we need more than what the conventional person is capable of giving and this can really cause some complications down the road unless we have someone that is incredibly positively affirming.

    I know for me, I've always been guilty of testing people, especially early on, through my own intentional erratic and odd behavior (to see how they react). Don't get me started with the hypothetical questions or excessive analysis of seemingly everything they say or do.

    Personally, I've always obsessed about this notion of a Soulmate and I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've "dated" without actually dating them. You end up analyzing people to such extreme levels, sometimes even at a distance, where it can just be baffling the type of conclusions you may come up with in such little time and interaction. With that said, let's be honest... we tend to be bang on with our assumptions.

    In the end, I may not have a shit load of Facebook friends, but I do have a handful of close tight-knit friends. Realistically, that's the only type of connection my 6w5 side needs.
    Last edited by Lad; 08-23-2013 at 11:58 PM.
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    Paranoia and obsessive thoughts happen when I am in an unhealthy state of mind though it is probably my worst weakness. 6's integrate to 9.

    (I'm sx/sp) I tend to be too trusting actually but there are certain things that trigger my paranoia mode. I am also a lot less cautious with online interactions. I am very warm and desire deep connections with people. If I don't make a connection I don't see the point. I'm either an open book or a closed book. There's not really any middle ground with me. I see physical activity the same way. I'm really bad at finding balance. I'll get really into exercise and over indulge or I tend to get trapped in my head and not do anything because all my focus is on something else. A change of scenery helps me feel more at ease and keeps my mind happy and stimulated. Meeting new people is the same way.

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    It's important to acknowledge that each enneagram is afraid of something. Fear is not enneagram 6's hallmark emotion. Also, you need to distinguish between healthy or unhealthy, counter-phobic or phobic, and the variants (SP, SX, SO), and even "tritype" (I'm 6-1-4 or "philosopher"). One 6 wing 5 can be starkly different from another based on these distinctions. For an example of the healthy vs. unhealthy distinction, it's not always anxiety or avoidance of such as the ultimate driving force, it can be a balance on a spectrum between being vigilant as opposed to anxious, pro-active as opposed to reactive. There are several levels between healthy and unhealthy that can be observed.

    To get into the neuroscience of it, plenty of people would like to believe that enneagram 6 is related to some psychological trauma deeply rooted in youth (fear of abandonment, etc), but quite frankly it's a neurochemical thing. There's an elevated level of Fight or Flight hormones keeping the person alert to things that normally they wouldn't feel compelled to think about because their body isn't efficiently breaking those down on a biochemical basis. Something that wouldn't be as traumatic for someone with different genes, different environment, different neurochemistry, can hit an enneagram 6 more strongly simply because of a predisposition to be sensitive to stress in all its forms, not simply emotional /psychological but also biochemical /physiological /immunological /genetic. The way a person responds to stress or makes an effort to eliminate it can be quite telling of their enneagram, their MBTI, and their neurochemistry, even what genes they likely have that influence mood and emotional regulation.

    Not all enneagram 6 are anxious or afraid. When integrating to 9, one will look uncharacteristically in the moment, chill, content, easy going, and more than happy to indulge in Se. When things go wrong there is a confidence that what can be done will be, and things will work out as they may- the sky isn't falling.

    As a 6w5 it's important to realize a capacity to be more than you have been, more than you ever thought you could be. As good as 6w5 is at scanning ahead for danger or problems or contingencies, it can often be the unforeseen that will most challenge and change you (for the better) if you just let it and be open to accepting something unexpected. Staying "safe" actually wastes a lot of precious energy rather than conserving it. Imagining the worst just to feel a sense of preparedness to steel one's self up "just in case" comes at both a cost and a benefit, but there's a point where it's distracting you from just living your life in a fluid, receptive motion. It's possible to get to that point, age and maturity and experience- and learning how to compensate for these neurochemical predispositions can really influence and change how a 6w5 both thinks and behaves.

    Embrace what you don't know instead of trying to be so sure of everything. What you can be sure of, of course as a skeptic you will second and third guess it, but only do so if you are ready to explore what that means within the realm of things "unsafe" that could threaten to shake your foundation. It's not just all in your head, it's in your DNA, and your DNA is not as set in stone as you would like to believe. You can change your thoughts, you can shift your perception, you can change yourself, you can adjust your actions, you can positively influence all facets of your health. Being in the moment, being in the physical reality, will make this clear once you start paying attention to things you thought you fully understood thus never allowed yourself to truly know and accept as they actually are.

    Don't just consider Ni as some future oriented drive. Ni is also your perceptive way of seeing things beyond surface presentation, beyond limits of time, beyond assumptions of character or purpose, beyond initial meaning, beyond the vantage point you intially had. There is more meaning and value to be found if you aren't hesitant to explore it while suspending your judgment functions. A good way to develop this is to spend some time with a person who is adept with extraverted iNtuition because they naturally pull these reflections that would be internal for you out to the surface where your perception can "breathe" which helps you develop your own extraverted perception (Se) to balance with your introverted perception (Ni). Your observations will be more keen. Your paranoia will lessen. Your sense of anxiety will be replaced with confidence and resourcefulness when it's actually needed- not before the fact, but in the heat of the moment. You won't need to preoccupy yourself with whether or not you are "ready for this" because you won't need to spend all that time analyzing.

    It's not "all in your head". It's a full body shift. Any head type enneagram (5, 6, 7) has this challenge. A head type enneagram with a head type wing of course is going to have even more of a challenge and reward from learning how to shift out of being so stuck in their own mind where they are most comfortable. Comfort is good every so often, but if it's consistent all it will do is hold you back from being -all- that you are. What's the point in being curious if you can't apply what you know out there? What's the point of fear /anxiety if it isn't channeled through courage to actually diminish that fear /anxiety?

    The imagined life (Ni - Ti) is painful; it has no substance to connect you with other people nor with vital life experiences (Fe - Se).

    Why attempt to achieve balance and harmony outside of yourself when you are not at peace within your own being yet you try to convince yourself that it's forces outside of you that drive this discontentment?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    This is a really great description. Good job on explaining it :)

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    Unknown Personality

    Yeah I mean paranoia and Ni can go a bit too well together lol.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    As an aside, there aren't many male INFJs on this forum, but of those there are, many of them are 6w5. Hmmm...

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