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This is a discussion on INFJ + ISTP Functions within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Someone somewhere said that INFJ and ISTP share similar functions, just in a different order or way. What are those ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    INFJ + ISTP Functions

    Someone somewhere said that INFJ and ISTP share similar functions, just in a different order or way. What are those functions and can someone put these in layman's terms?



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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    They share the same functions, just in a different (paired) order.

    ISTPs: (Ti > Se) > [Ni > Fe]
    INFJs: [Ni > Fe] > (Ti > Se)

    I'm not sure how simplified you're looking for, but in a nutshell:

    Judging Functions
    - Ti is an internalized logical decision-making process
    - Fe makes decisions using external consensus of values

    Perception Functions
    - Se looks for external, sensory data/facts, and tends to be the most "realist" type function
    - Ni looks for ideas/connections internally

    Now above, I paired Ti with Se and Ni with Fe just for identification purposes. But the real "pairs" are any combination of one judging function and one perception function. INFJs and ISTPs draw from the exact same functions, but there's typically an order they "prefer" when perceiving and making conclusions.

    ISTP function pair preferences

    Primary
    - Ti/Se: Internal, logical conclusions, drawing from external facts when individual needs more info (i.e., external facts supports logical conclusions).
    - Ti/Ni: Internal, logical conclusions, drawing from internal ideas, connections when individual needs more info(i.e., internal ideas/connections supports logical conclusions)

    Secondary -- These pairs are not typically used in a "healthy" manner, and can be drawn out when stressed or primary pairs are over-used, i.e., primary judging function has run out of conclusions.
    - Se/Fe: Perceives external facts, then looks for external value-based consensus drawing only from those facts (i.e., the external values support the external facts perceived by the individual).
    - Ni/Fe: Perceives internal ideas/connections/insights, and looks for external value-based consensus drawing from this data (i.e., the external values support the internal ideas/connections/insights perceived by the individual.)

    INFJ function pair preferences

    Primary
    - Ni/Fe: (same as ISTP's description)
    - Ni/Ti: Perceives internal ideas/connections/insights, and looks for internal, logical conclusions drawing from this data (i.e., the internal logic supports the internal ideas/connections/insights perceived by the individual.)

    Secondary -- These pairs are not typically used in a "healthy" manner, and can be drawn out when stressed or primary pairs are over-used, i.e., primary perception function has run out of internal connections/ideas.
    - Fe/Se: Makes decisions based on external, value-based consensus with existing data, but draws from external facts when the individual needs more information (i.e., the external data supports the external decision making).
    - Ti/Se: (same as ISTP's description)

    Hopefully you can see the many patterns here. But what I think is most interesting is the ISTP's "weakest" preference is the INFJ's strongest, and vice versa. Now, I mentioned that those 2 secondary pairs usually come out when the individual is stressed, but I also think it's where the individual has the most room to grow. Each time I find myself in Ni/Fe mode, I'm stressed, yeah, but I feel myself using it more smoothly and comfortably with each use. That's why I'm pretty convinced ISTPs grow towards being more INFJ, and INFJs grow towards being more ISTP.

    Another interesting pattern is the ISTP's and INFJ's second pair preference are a mirror of each other. They're very similarly, but work in slightly different ways. My primary mode is Ti, or logical decision making. When my Ti (picture it like a computer processor) runs out of Se data, it shoots strait to Ni to retrieve more data. Conversely, an INFJ's primary mode is Ni, or data stemming from internal idea creation/connection making/insights (picture it like an internet forum discussing a variety of ideas or connections). And this is what the INFJ continues to do until it's time to make a decision. First, it will try to use Fe, and see if that external-value based decision making can work with that internal generated data. If that fails, it seeks Ti to come up with logical conclusions using that data. Does that make sense?

    Phew. I got a little carried away, but when it comes to function order... I can talk a lot :P

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    That was a very good explanation. Thanks!


 

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