[INFJ] Cassandra Truth and INFJ's - Does this affect you?

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This is a discussion on Cassandra Truth and INFJ's - Does this affect you? within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I lifted this description of Cassandra Truth from tvtropes.org Sometimes people just won't believe you. You try your hardest to ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Cassandra Truth and INFJ's - Does this affect you?

    I lifted this description of Cassandra Truth from tvtropes.org

    Sometimes people just won't believe you.

    You try your hardest to tell someone that your parents are actually super villains and that you need their help to bring them down, or that aliens have landed in your backyard and are now plundering your kitchen, or that the nice grandpa in the flat above you is in fact an evil bloodthirsty creature from another dimension, but the authorities look at you like you are crazy and send you packing. What's a lone protagonist to do?

    A common staple of Disney and children's films, where the Kid Hero stumbles upon an evil conspiracy or a criminal ring and their parents and the police refuse to listen. The only thing to do is to save the day yourself, with PG heroics and Scooby Doo style.

    This sort of situation can also be used to maintain the Masquerade: if a minor character finds out and tries to tell someone that the guy next door is secretly a Warrior of Justice, they won't be believed, because who would ever think that that foppish playboy could really be the dark, grim Super Hero? Often though, it's because they're horrible at wording it so it sounds genuinely insane.

    Sometimes Character A actually asks what's going on and, when given the true-but-bizarre explanation by Character B, responds "Well, if you don't want to tell me, just say so".

    Related to Devil In Plain Sight, except that in that case, the disbelief is mainly due to the deceptive abilities of the "devil", whereas in this one, it's usually due to strange circumstances, the perceived unreliability of the speaker, or just plain bad luck. It can also be a Crying Wolf situation, where the fact that the character lied previously is obfuscating the fact that they're telling the truth now.

    The title comes from the mythical seer Cassandra, whose prophecies were always accurate but never believed due to a curse from the god Apollo, thus making this Older Than Dirt. (Writers of speculative fiction just looove to name precognitive or clairvoyant characters "Cassandra" or some variant thereof. Yeah, Smallville, Buffy, Red Dwarf, and X-Files — We're lookin' at you.)

    If the person telling the truth is an NPC in a video game, they're spouting Infallible Babble. In this case, the in-game characters won't believe them, but a Genre Savvy player will.

    If the character is the one guy to figure something out despite all the much more expert people working on the problem, he is an Einstein Sue.

    This is often played to a ridicule the doubters, even when the truth is on the level of the absurd. A protagonist warns others of a completely unlikely, nigh impossible event, but the audience, in on the secret, perceives a truth they would normally doubt themselves as completely obvious.

    Subtropes are The Jor El and The Cassandra, where the character in question is in a position where they really should be believed, due to authority or track record, but still isn't. See also Not So Imaginary Friend, for a specific situation where the "truth" is the existence of a character. When truth in question has something to do with mediumAwareness, compare Audience What Audience.

    Contrast with Sarcastic Confession and You Wouldnt Believe Me If I Told You. A particularly cynical twist is when whoever wasn't listening concludes that Cassandra Did It when what she's saying comes true.

    The Other Wiki even has an article about Cassandra Truth."

    I often feel depressed when someone says the truth yet no one believes him/her. Eventually, this will cause me to not watch the movie/TV episode again...I just can't stand to see the character go through it again. Of course, when its played for laughs, like in Phineas and Ferb, then it's OK.

    So, what are your thoughts?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    My family members are the main people in my life that don't believe me when I tell the truth, or try to tell me when I'm wrong, when I know I'm right. I'm not at all unfamiliar with this kinda stuff, and it DRIVES ME MAD to watch a character go through the drama of trying to get people to believe them about their visions/dreams/powers or w/e.

    P.S. I relate so well because I'm pretty much those characters, in real life. Trying to warn someone of dreams or Intuitive experiences, only to be told that I'm just being negative. Or, I'm just plain wrong.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Typing myself as this would:
    A. Take effort
    B. Cause a harmful self-image by making me thing that no matter what I say, nobody will listen because my ideas are stupid
    C. Irritate me when the self-image is proved time and time again due to my own perception of a situation
    D. Be all out pointless

    Just my humble opinion
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I believe it's very common in TV and movies. Although it, as mr.Empath put it, "DRIVES ME MAD", it's what gets me to root for the characters. But unlike OP, it's one of the things that keep me from watching the show, it's one 'love to hate' things for me. Most of the time I just yearn for the moment at the end of the movie/show, when all is exposed and the main character gets to go 'Aha! told you so!'.

    In real life, this does happen to me, but not very often. Not because people believe me, but because I tend to think about what I'm going to say a lot, and when I feel people aren't gonna buy it, I just keep quiet.
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    Yeah, but most of the time people don't believe me cause the truth is so ridiculous.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    When it comes to truth (the REAL TRUTH), it is nearly impossible for people to believe. I don't get it. They're ready to believe a half-truth, or a LIE, before the actual truth. That's why I say and believe truth to be, relative and elusive.
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