[INFJ] Highest Survivability by Sensors, Thinkers, or A Combination of Both?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Highest Survivability by Sensors, Thinkers, or A Combination of Both?

    I’ve been here for a while, but this is probably going to be my first thread (aside from the comments/replies in others’).


    If it’s not apparent already, the world is dominated by S, T, or ST temperaments. All day-to-day mundane tasks ranging from admin work to politics are handled by them.
    As a male INFJ, I could figuratively count with one hand how many male NFs I’ve met in my life. Almost all of my friends are ST males with NT ones mixed in; females are usually SFJ types. I don’t know if it’s just a coincidence or male & female NFs are hiding somewhere.


    My past attempts of trying to connect with them have been met with one disappointment after another. Comments like “You think too much”, “You need to toughen up”, “You’re so weird” etc. are commonly said to me.


    From personalitypage.com, it says that “Life is not necessarily easy for the INFJ, but they are capable of great depth of feeling and personal achievement.” The way I interpret it is that our innate potentials can EASILY, I mean extremely EASILY, go unfruitful if we choose not to unleash them. But how could we find healthy ways to express our NF sides?


    Anyway, it all boils down to these questions:
    1. (INFJs) Do you think that the most difficult battle is but with oneself? I’m asking this because while some may carry heavier burdens than others, there are those who can be content with their lives no matter what’s going on. It doesn’t mean they can always handle everything, but it’s more about their attitude.


    2. (INFJs) Yes, some people have more support (wife/husband, family members, friends, etc.), but what about those who have to turn into themselves?

    Disclaimer: I’ve yet to have a relationship with an NF for an extended period of time as I grew up in a family of sensors. So this is entirely from my point of view, but any constructive feedback from everyone regardless of MBTI types will be appreciated.
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    If it’s not apparent already, the world is dominated by S, T, or ST temperaments. All day-to-day mundane tasks ranging from admin work to politics are handled by them.
    I guess my dreams of becoming an experimental physicist are RUINED.

    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    My past attempts of trying to connect with them have been met with one disappointment after another. Comments like “You think too much”, “You need to toughen up”, “You’re so weird” etc. are commonly said to me.
    I have only said the second. The first one is something I would NEVER say except in jest.

    It might not be so wise to write off sensors and thinkers. I mean, you might be identifying people as sensors or thinkers because you can't connect with them, and therefore obtain a biased picture of what they are like.
    Last edited by Owfin; 04-10-2012 at 08:17 AM.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I agree with @Owfin . Being a sensor does not preclude one from deep thought, or label one shallow, just as being intuitive does not guarantee it. Likewise, I am not sure whether or not you have tested the people you mention, but, while I may have my suspicions about a person's type, and am often proven correct, I never assume.

    Most jobs are "day-to-day and mundane." All of my jobs have been of the mundane variety, from digging ditches and waxing floors to serving as a linguist in the military. There are elements I enjoyed, but there was a lot of tedious and repetitive elements I would consider mundane. You may be surprised to find out how many N-types have "boring, mundane" jobs, and how many S-types hold jobs that might be labeled more "theoretical or glamorous" in nature. If you enjoy what you do, it is no longer mundane. Such designations are wholly subjective.

    I likewise do not think that type has anything to do with survivability.
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    Unknown Personality

    Every person (no matter the type) has a place in this world by using his/her abilities. Yes, it does start with the self and there might be an internal battle with fears and complexes if any. This does not mean a person changes to "fit" in or pretend something he/she is not. There are always people who will not have the same interests as you/what you care about or support you but regardless of this you can live your life and do what you want in it. If you do your thing then you will find others that are similar will come your way, focusing on the negative does not lead to anything fruitful.
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    Unknown Personality


    I think this is a great example of why the MBTI is so popular, and so dangerous to the people that learn about it.

    On the one hand, it is very flattering to the people that accept it. If you're an INFJ, you get to be the most caring type. ENFJs get to be the nicest, INTJs get to be the smartest, ENTPs get to be the best debaters, ENTJs get to be the best leaders, etc.

    However on the flip side, people also use the MBTI as a shield to protect their ego. They say things like "It isn't my fault that I'm weird, stupid, emotionally cold, too emotional, etc. ALL PEOPLE OF MY TYPE ARE LIKE THAT!" They put themselves in a box and refuse to make adjustments as necessary.

    As has been pointed out, the OP's reasoning is a perfect example of this. For one thing, the MBTI is fairly silly and seriously flawed on many levels. But even so, typing people is quite tricky and even if you know everything about the MBTI, Cognitive Functions, etc. you're still going to be wrong more often than not. Just look at how often people are wrong about their own type, much less the types of others. We all wear social masks, strategically showing others what we want them to see and no more. Nobody ever truly knows anybody else, at least not completely. Most will only see your mask, some might see a bit around it, very few will see you without the mask, and even if they do they may not realize it. The OP is basically saying "Anybody who is different than me in a bad way must be of this type or that type." That type of thinking is quite common, and it is very wrong. Not only that, but it is self-defeating because it makes you stop trying to improve and better the situation.





    TLDR: The OP is putting himself in a self-defeating box. And the MBTI is stupid.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Us poor persecuted, misunderstood, picked on and conspired against INFJs .. It's a miracle we get through each day without offing ourselves.
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Us poor persecuted, misunderstood, picked on and conspired against INFJs .. It's a miracle we get through each day without offing ourselves.
    How did you find out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owfin View Post
    I guess my dreams of becoming an experimental physicist are RUINED.



    I have only said the second. The first one is something I would NEVER say except in jest.

    It might not be so wise to write off sensors and thinkers. I mean, you might be identifying people as sensors or thinkers because you can't connect with them, and therefore obtain a biased picture of what they are like.
    You're breaking it, YOU'RE BREAKING THE MOLD!!! STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!

    ps: Im in an odd mood today!
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I actually know 11 tested INFJs IRL. It's not all it's cracked up to be, having them as friends. When I was first introduced to MBTI a decade ago, I went on an intensive hunt for other INFJs, certain that would be the answer to ending my feelings of being misunderstood, invisible, etc. Though I certainly appreciate (some of - lol) my INFJ friends, and there have been moments of deep connection with them, finding them and interacting with them, along with a wide array of other types, has taught me that what really matters in relationships is how balanced a person is, regardless of type. People in general are so loaded down with pressures and wrapped up in their own needs and wants that they don't fully interact with other people. And then we're so wrapped up in our needs and wants that we think the things other people say/do is about us, or that it should be. OK, not everyone's like that. But a lot of people are. --- When I can separate from my inner spoiled brat and simply observe other people without allowing what they do or don't do to affect me, I realize how much more interesting the world is, how insignificant I am, and that that's ok; that it's actually good. I do what I can do. Other people do what they can do. Some things are hard for me. Some things are easier. Anything I want to do better, I can do better if I put forth the effort to practice, etc., and you can too. I hope that makes sense.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Niccolo Machiavelli View Post
    I think this is a great example of why the MBTI is so popular, and so dangerous to the people that learn about it.

    On the one hand, it is very flattering to the people that accept it. If you're an INFJ, you get to be the most caring type. ENFJs get to be the nicest, INTJs get to be the smartest, ENTPs get to be the best debaters, ENTJs get to be the best leaders, etc.

    However on the flip side, people also use the MBTI as a shield to protect their ego. They say things like "It isn't my fault that I'm weird, stupid, emotionally cold, too emotional, etc. ALL PEOPLE OF MY TYPE ARE LIKE THAT!" They put themselves in a box and refuse to make adjustments as necessary.

    As has been pointed out, the OP's reasoning is a perfect example of this. For one thing, the MBTI is fairly silly and seriously flawed on many levels. But even so, typing people is quite tricky and even if you know everything about the MBTI, Cognitive Functions, etc. you're still going to be wrong more often than not. Just look at how often people are wrong about their own type, much less the types of others. We all wear social masks, strategically showing others what we want them to see and no more. Nobody ever truly knows anybody else, at least not completely. Most will only see your mask, some might see a bit around it, very few will see you without the mask, and even if they do they may not realize it. The OP is basically saying "Anybody who is different than me in a bad way must be of this type or that type." That type of thinking is quite common, and it is very wrong. Not only that, but it is self-defeating because it makes you stop trying to improve and better the situation.





    TLDR: The OP is putting himself in a self-defeating box. And the MBTI is stupid.
    Yeah the MBTI can be a double-edged sword. So how to get out of the self-defeating box that you described in order to improve?


     
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