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    One washes and otherwise prepares food in the kitchen sink, frequently laying it during some part of the process on the surface of the sink. Detergent residue doesn't make food tastier, nor do hair (especially pubic hair, yum), bleach, detached lint or threads, body oil or other physical debris or bodily offputtings which I leave to the imagination, etc. etc. add to gastronomic desirability. One should leave the kitchen sink in a state appropriate for its characteristic usage.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by NagatoUzumaki View Post
    Well, you're realize there are germs everywhere up including kitchen sink? I assume you clean those dishes that you leave in the sink. So there should be no problem especially if bleach was used as it's disinfectant, unless of course he decided to mix up bleach for some reason with dish soap containing ammonia what could be actually dangerous.

    I wouldn't really care, it wouldn't result in any negative consequence to me, so their business not mine if they want to wash it that way.

    Anyway, I'm going the off-rails so I'm not touching upon it further.
    If you consume bleach it can be dangerous. And there is a problem because not everything you clean is 100% clean, if draws touch your kitchen sink you can be sure that draw residue is still in your sink unless you take the time to bomb the whole sink with disinfectant. Just the idea alone is disturbing to me and not a nonchalant "sink is used to clean dirty things so clothes qualify" kind of plain issue as you put it. And I can't defend against germs that are unbeknownst to me. And e coli would result in a negative consequence to you.

  3. #13

    This is all really interesting. I have this theory that anger is a Fi thing, where being able to express or handle it might be, um, more creative for Fi users. Which leads me to my next question:

    Are Fi users more angry than Fe users?
    Or is it the other way around- does Fi allow you not to care as much? Or is it equal, perhaps depending on what makes you angry?

  4. #14

    To answer the first question:

    It depends kind of what context I am getting angry in. If it's about something like political (I mean like a concept that I have an opinion on, that doesn't relate to my personal life) I'll just usually be talking to myself (lol). Exasperated or desirive are the words I would use to describe my attitude with this.

    If it's with other people it's usually over their behaviour or something they've done. If I am a bit annoyed I might try to mention it to them in a polite tone of voice. If they don't respond the way I am hoping for it might escalate bit by bit. If I'm really annoyed I might bottle it up and try to tell myself not to say anything, because I know from experience (especially being younger I was not able or willing to control such outbursts so easily) that I'll probably be loud, aggressive, shouty and just something that is fun for no one. Nowadays I usually know that I'm probably better off if I just keep quiet and allow the feeling to pass, though it can take a lot of effort to keep down. When I feel more seriously angry is when I feel like my Fi values have been violated in some way. It doesn't happen very often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator View Post
    Are Fi users more angry than Fe users?
    Or is it the other way around- does Fi allow you not to care as much? Or is it equal, perhaps depending on what makes you angry?
    I don't think we are more or less angry. I think it's expressed differently and maybe is caused by different things. I think Fi (and Te) users are more likely to feel the anger internally and it's usually caused by some kind of conflict or tension they sense in relation to another person. I think Fe (and Ti) users are more likely to be angry as an expression of their personal feelings about some subject, though I don't fully grasp it from their POV. Maybe one can chime in here. Also, I think anger can cloud Fi/Te users judgement and make them behave irrationally, whereas I've seen Fe/Ti users can actually sometimes focus better when they're angry. I think it could be the difference between Te and Ti rather than Fe and Fi. Also, that for Te users anger may be more context based/situational whereas it is more personal for Ti users. Just a theory.
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  5. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by odinthor View Post
    One washes and otherwise prepares food in the kitchen sink, frequently laying it during some part of the process on the surface of the sink. Detergent residue doesn't make food tastier, nor do hair (especially pubic hair, yum), bleach, detached lint or threads, body oil or other physical debris or bodily offputtings which I leave to the imagination, etc. etc. add to gastronomic desirability. One should leave the kitchen sink in a state appropriate for its characteristic usage.
    If you put the food on the surface of the sink without previously cleaning and disinfecting it , germs and residue will be present regardless of cleaning the clothing or not in said sink.If you really care about hygiene that much you shouldn't be putting food or kitchen accessories on the surface of the sink in the first place unless they're already dirty and you intend to clean them later on and put them on the clean surface near the sink that isn't contaminated with residue. So truly, if you experience any above problems you fail as a cook so badly that you're hazard to yourself and people around you, it would require Mr Bean level of recklessness.
    @L P

    Yes, if you plan directly consuming it, small dosage being previously used in sink won't result in you consuming it, in fact some people opt to use a little bit of bleach during sanitizing dishes and "live to tell the tale". You won't end up consuming e-coli just because someone washed their clothes in the sink, you're not really at any significantly greater risk than otherwise.You would have to be paranoid about it to the point using disinfectant someone comes to contact with sink to consider risk significant.

    Well, I suppose OP doesn't seem mind too much if we go into discussing specific instances of what makes you angry

    As for more Fi being more creative in expressing anger, from what I'm not really seeing it, in fact most of responses seems to express anger in rather standardized manner ie confronting, complaining or not reacting at all.

    As far I'm concerned Fe/Fi would simply differ in regard what would thick it off (but same is true for same types) as and perhaps how person decided to handle it, with Fe judgement possibly being more likely to confront or express anger if harmony in environment was disrupted or something.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NagatoUzumaki View Post
    If you put the food on the surface of the sink without previously cleaning and disinfecting it , germs and residue will be present regardless of cleaning the clothing or not in said sink.If you really care about hygiene that much you shouldn't be putting food or kitchen accessories on the surface of the sink in the first place unless they're already dirty and you intend to clean them later on and put them on the clean surface near the sink that isn't contaminated with residue. So truly, if you experience any above problems you fail as a cook so badly that you're hazard to yourself and people around you, it would require Mr Bean level of recklessness.
    @L P

    Yes, if you plan directly consuming it, small dosage being previously used in sink won't result in you consuming it, in fact some people opt to use a little bit of bleach during sanitizing dishes and "live to tell the tale". You won't end up consuming e-coli just because someone washed their clothes in the sink, you're not really at any significantly greater risk than otherwise.You would have to be paranoid about it to the point using disinfectant someone comes to contact with sink to consider risk significant.

    Well, I suppose OP doesn't seem mind too much if we go into discussing specific instances of what makes you angry

    As for more Fi being more creative in expressing anger, from what I'm not really seeing it, in fact most of responses seems to express anger in rather standardized manner ie confronting, complaining or not reacting at all.

    As far I'm concerned Fe/Fi would simply differ in regard what would thick it off (but same is true for same types) as and perhaps how person decided to handle it, with Fe judgement possibly being more likely to confront or express anger if harmony in environment was disrupted or something.
    Or you can just use a washing machine like a normal person. If they are washing underwear in the sink you just raised your chances of getting e coli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L P View Post
    Or you can just use a washing machine like a normal person. If they are washing underwear in the sink you just raised your chances of getting e coli.
    Waste of resources, especially if you've only few small things to clean, so if you're interested in saving some money you may opt for hand washing if you don't mind putting some effort and time. Extremely unlikely especially given bleach was involved, you would have greater chance contaminating your food from food residue in your sink if you don't clean and disinfect it on a regular basis. So you're overreacting.

  8. #18
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    What I do nowadays to get angry on a regular healthy basis is listen to death metal to get the ball rolling. I'm wired to "prefer" feelings of sadness and nervousness in place of anger so I need the help lest I blame everything on myself or just get angry at the wrong time, like for example at work.
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  9. #19

    I can be terribly sarcastic... which the intended target never deserves.
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  10. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator View Post
    I'm interested in finding out differences in how you express anger. Not what ticks you off but rather how do you deal with and address that issue?
    Well... there are a couple of scenarios that come to mind.

    1) When I don't exactly know why I am angry. And 2) When I know why I am angry.

    When I don't exactly know why I am angry... like, hormones, past hurts, fears, unfairness of life, etc. etc. And, I get triggered for whatever reason... well, that gets a little muddy. I am trying to figure out why I am so heated about something so trivial in the midst of all of my damn feelings raging on and on... so, I try to stomp them all down and not express ANYTHING at all until I know what the issue actually is and if it is worth raising hell about (it usually isn't).

    This rage is usually internal, but it bubbles around my usual way, unfortunately. If I am around someone I am comfortable with, I let this show on my face sometimes, but I can't even talk about it because I feel like words won't do my feelings justice. I am so heated, and I can't explain out loud how I am feeling (esp cause I don't know why yet).

    This thought tends to race through my head while the fury rages on: Even if I were to share how I feel now, how would that help me and this situation? IT WOULDN'T! I'D FEEL WORSE!

    So, I stifle, stifle. Rant about it in my journal. And, sometimes it really just goes away.

    ---

    If I know my anger is fully-100% justified and I can pinpoint exactly why I am angry, then I determine if it is worth vocalizing or not. Will I be heard? Will it change the situation positively? Will I die inside if it goes unsaid? Etc. etc. For me, I struggle with fearing of what other people think about me and want peace and harmony, so I usually won't say anything except to those closest to me. This anger comes out in a blast of feelings with tears, but also with a ton of data to back it up (which doesn't come out so succinctly, but I've taken the time bottling up loads of examples - thanku, Si).
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