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This is a discussion on INFP 4w3 within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I'm having trouble finding descriptions of enneatypes that include wings, and there seem to be none out there about specific ...

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    INFP - The Idealists

    INFP 4w3

    I'm having trouble finding descriptions of enneatypes that include wings, and there seem to be none out there about specific enneatype/MBTI pairings. so, are there any INFP 4w3s on here? whether or not this is your type, what do you think are the defining characteristics?
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    I think a lot of 4w3 (especially infx 4w3s) shy away from identifying as 4w3s. It may be the issue of shame that prevents them of doing so, and the 'push pull' that arrises from 2 seemingly very different types. The '4w3' is often described as the exxagerated, show off-y type... but I daresay not all 4w3s are as dramatic as this (especially infx's), and infact, the description of the '4w3' may not be their desired image either. They may tell themselves that they don't desire acceptance and maintaining a positive image, but really, this is just their image conceptions getting in the way of self insight.

    I have noticed a lot of people on here for example, who have identified as 4w5s or even other types, but they certainly look more like 4w3s to me.

    I am no expert however. In fact, I haven't read many sources. I have it on good opinion that internet sources generally don't provide very good information, so it's best to consult a book. There are some good sources in the enneagram section - check the four section, and look for '4 stackings' or '4 variants'.

    4w3's are generally described as being more extroverted and 'charming' then their 4w5 counterparts. There's a push/pull that exists across their desire to prevent theirselves from being 'exposed', yet there is a degree to which the 3 wing desires to self expose. They are motivated to be 'different', but they still want to be accepted. They don't seek individuality at the cost of positive feedback. They want both, not either or. Though they may settle with individuality without acceptance, but their shame may be pervasive. They tend to project a favourable image... people may be astounded by how different a 4w3 may 'appear' and how they really are when they let their guard down.

    4w3's can be driven, and ambitious (but of course, still very idealistic)... they may not have an accurate perception of their selves if they are caught up in their image and the symbols they define their 'self' by. But they still, often have a good idea of the person they want to be.

    They may have a rich fantasy life that entails dreams of success and acceptance. They desire that others find them attractive, or recognise their special talents and abilities.

    (I paragraphrased most of this from a book called... actually, I don't know what it's called. A person here photocopied it for me. I'll get back to you when I figure out what it's called).

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    INFP - The Idealists

    could this result in a more malleable mbti type? i find that when taking the tests, i have trouble distinguishing between things i AM and things i ADMIRE.

    i am very defined by the dichotomy between essence and appearance, i would say.

    i find this enneatype very interesting...at first the description didn't seem to fit me, but maybe that's because i desire to appear logical, modest, hardworking, dependable and genuine, so these are the traits i tend to exhibit. hmm...the desire to appear genuine..interesting conundrum.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    4 variant is self pres/social almost exactly, based on the thread you suggested.
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    ISFP - The Artists

    I am an INFP, 4w3.

    I always thought that I was a Type 2, and I kept testing as one. However, when I read the Type 2 description, I thought that it just wasn't me. The Type 2 likes to take care of people. Me on the other hand - I fantasize about taking care of people but I never actually get around to doing it. I'm not a very reliable person in that respect.

    And it also says here that unhealthy Type 4s behave like Type 2s, clingy, over-involved etc and if there's anything I share with Type 2, it's that;

    4 - Enneagram Type Four: The Individualist

    I've read many Type 4 descriptions, watched videos, etc and had many aha! moments throughout. I mean, I was a guy who took the stage at a school assembly when I was 16 to deliver a sermon about how the world will end because everyone nowadays is a nasty bastard. The speech was intertextually linked with T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land and The King James version of old testament. Then no one spoke to me for a week cos they were afraid I was a time bomb waiting to explode; but I was just so satisfied with myself. In the Malaysian school system, you really have to put up with a lot of shit to express yourself. And at the age of 16, doing something like that, I was going beyond self expression. It was possession. Shamanism; a dark under the stairs being illumined by my autoluminescence. Another time was at a poetry slam, I was in the poetry slam scene for a while back in Malaysia. I was going places, you know. I was in the papers - I was actually interviewed. But I managed to throw it all away because at one gig, I slashed my arm on stage. With a razor. No reason, just wanted to be different. Bled all over the place - and got banned from the venue. And shunned by the scene. Sometimes I find it hard to hold her in, my lady of perpetual emptiness. She cries and cries and cannot be muted.

    I just wanted to be different, as if that will fill up some emptiness inside of me. I'd stab my eyes with dye just to see the sky turn rose-blue.

    and the reason why I say I'm a 3 wing ---> I sort of feel that I stray between 4w5 and 4w3, and in all honesty I think that's the case. But if I have to be certain, I'd say I'm a 3 for no other (shallower) reason than the fact that 4w3 is described as "The Aristocrat". God, I've always had dreams of being an aristocrat. Seriously. Since way back when, I've been in love with the idea of literally, being an aristocrat. Of being born into a wealthy family in 18th century England, and do nothing but sit on my arse all day reading poetry and composing music. Interspersed with having tea parties in the nude, drinking till' I'm blitzed and fucking around in London brothels. All this while being immaculately dapper.

    When I am in a healthy frame of mind, I am organized, disciplined, positive and productive. But when I'm in an unhealthy frame of mind I'm narcissistic by way of sorrow. Completely self-indulgent. Smoking expensive cigarettes, eating rich foods, sleeping long hours, wasting money. Wasting away; precious, effete; would have been sent to the gullotine by citizens during the French revolution.

    But look, I am talented, I am a poet, a musician. I can't work in an office, shop or factory. Simply put, Pop Crimes and Work stand are diametrically opposing concepts. And if my art can never bring in an income, I'll just live off my parents like the precious, effete Aristocrat that I am. In fact, I wanted at one point to grow my nails long and paint them pink as a sign that I will never ever work.

    Yet, I don't want to be that way because people will look down on me. People will look down on me, and no one will love me. Then my emptiness will be made worse. I will chip my nails and dirty my hands with work just so you will love me.

    I hate myself for who I am, but I love myself too because no one can be dissolute like me, and no one can have my perspectives. I'm so confused.

    Confused and getting ahead of myself.

    P.s. At the age of 13 I started developing a taste for vintage suits. And if I had the money, Lord knows what kind of awful expensive clothing I'll buy. And a taste for expensive guitars and guitar effect pedals.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I am an INFP 4w3 and it has been so difficult to find concrete descriptions of us!!
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    ugh that is so me!
    i am an infp, and i tested as 4w5 but I KNOW that I am 4w3. I dream of being on stage, singing or dancing (something in performance) I pretend like I don't care what I wear (but I totally do). I am very much introverted and don't know how I'm going to achieve my performer dreams...I guess that's the dilemma...People insist that I am a "people person" and I'm "charming", they tell me this all of the time, I just smile and nod and think (I hope they're not lying).
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    INFP - The Idealists

    It's interesting. I'm very much a 4w5, but there is a small aspect of me that relates to the 4w3. It is fascinating to read accounts from those people.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I gave up on attempting to decide between a 3 or 5 wing. I may have both...if that's possible.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Another infp 4w3 here..

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