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#1 ·
Anyone ever have something happen that you just have to share with someone?

Or have a random thought or idea that you feel like putting out there?

Or do you simply feel like rambling or ruminating?

Well, here's a place to make it known. If there isn't a thread for it, go for it here! Anything and everything is welcome and encouraged.
 
#31,261 ·
I have a moment of doubt. Does anyone who have seen some of my posts over the years have the feeling I might not be infp?

Sometimes I feel so stereotype I get a bit embarrassed... but then I focus on some other aspect and wonder... what if I am an extrovert with some social anxiety? and enfp. What if I am really a sensor I am quite aware of my surroundings and do quite a lot of practical stuff? an isfp. What if I am a thinker, do I really make the final decision out of feeling, an intp? haha, and if all of them, then that would be an estp. I have never doubted the P though.
No matter your type, there is an N, an S, an F, and a T function. So depending on your mood you will use more of one function than the others. I may be Si Dom, but I use a lot of Ti.. Probably more than any other function (besides Si). It's because what I seek to do requires using Ti. I don't know enough about you to determine anything, but you have to consider every function in a type. The dominant function is a "need," the auxiliary function is a "want," the tertiary function is an "ambition," and the inferior function is a "curiosity." So INFP would need to use Fi (as their world is built around it), want to use Ne (because you're good at it), decide to use Si (to become a better person/feel fulfilled), and is curious about Te (admiring it in others and gathering Te perspective from others, since it's harder to do yourself). Basically the dominant function doesn't go away... It's like practically always with you. For me it's like I can use Si + Fe, or Si + Ti, or Si + Ne. It's like this grasp I need to have over everything. When Si isn't being used I disappear and it's like I don't exist or understand anything. It's just simply a need in order for me to actually think properly. If I don't feel like something is real then it all goes away and nothing matters to me.
 
#31,263 · (Edited)
I have a moment of doubt. Does anyone who have seen some of my posts over the years have the feeling I might not be infp?

Sometimes I feel so stereotype I get a bit embarrassed... but then I focus on some other aspect and wonder... what if I am an extrovert with some social anxiety? and enfp. What if I am really a sensor I am quite aware of my surroundings and do quite a lot of practical stuff? an isfp. What if I am a thinker, do I really make the final decision out of feeling, an intp? haha, and if all of them, then that would be an estp. I have never doubted the P though.
Well, about introversion and extroversion, I always think it should be cystal clear, you should go with Jung's own definitions, not as is in everyday language. Introverts experience the world subjectively and indirectly, rather as an echo of the real object while the extrovert experience the world as is/ directly and is oblivious to this subjective echo. This is really all there is, nothing more, nothing less. Also, he defines introversion and extroversion as the most distinctive trait, even more distinctive than dominant functions. Just this, rest I write is just details and patterns.

Other commonly associated traits, but not a perfect one imho cause I am totally b & c of the extrovert, but it is a facade or just performing mostly.

1. Extroverted attitude: a standpoint characterized by an outward flowing of personal energy (libido)—an interest in events, in people and things, a relationship with them, and a dependence on them. The extrovert is usually ...


a. motivated by outside factors and greatly influenced by the environment,


b. sociable and confident in unfamiliar surroundings, less cautious, less fearful, and


c. likes organizations, parties, and tends to be optimistic and enthusiastic.


d. Weaknesses of the extroverted attitude include:


(1) a dependence on making a good impression,


(2) easily making and breaking relationships,


(3) regarding reflection as being morbid and avoiding being alone,


(4) lacking self-criticism, and


(5) accepting the morals and conventions of the day--conventional.


2. Introverted Attitude: characterized by an inward flowing of personal energy—a withdrawal concentrating on subjective factors. The introvert is usually ...


a. . happy alone with a rich imagination, and


b. prefers reflection to activity.


c. Weakness of the introverted attitude includes ...


(1) a lack confidence in relation to people and things and


(2) a tendency to be unsociable, shy, and hesitant.

Being social and outgoing alone is not a good indicator, my ENFP roommate spends most of her life in her room and does not make friends easily. Though, she talks on her phone all day and night, and right now possibly until 3:30 AM -_-' Others I have known are also ranging in socializing. They almost never want to stay unstimulated though whether it is phone calls or people in person. When she is stressed she goes crazy extroverted, you can see it gets pretty unhealthy actually. I feel bad for her on both scales but since she is a total fraud who refuses to pay her promised part and also said mean things and that she will find a replacement (but didn't) I don't feel like I will go and cheer her up as I used to. I had had offered to find a common ground and apologize on our parts but she just had excuses to the things she has said but no apologies so that was the end of it. She didn't even make an attempt to find a replacement. I need to overcome my anger every time I remember that I am sharing a house with a person who basically is robbing me -_-' Most ENFPs in my life also like to point out that I think too much and I am way too complicated, I should learn to enjoy simple things in life and also not put too much meaning on things (like telling them why gossipping or making fun of a person's look is a circle that keeps the sexism and oppression >.> ya da ya da) They are also always very on a literal level. Ne dom is not the same as Ne aux.
 
#31,264 ·
@attic More on the matter:

Ne as Leading Function (ILE, IEE)

The individual is skilled at generating sense of novelty, inspiration, and intellectual interest and curiosity in others and using his own enthusiasm to inspire and motivate others to see different options open before them. He easily sees parallels between different concepts, situations, people, attitudes, and topics, draws connections across different fields of knowledge and social groups, and dabbles in multiple interests and hobbies at once. He picks up information on the fly and is usually the first to find out about something with his intellectual curiosity being insatiable. Perceiving different options and opinions, he debates them to find out where the truth might lie. He enjoys the beginning stages of just about anything - new projects, new information, new skills, new books and movies, experiencing new people and relationships. Preparing for and launching something new is seen as having greater value than the process of experiencing what one already has and finishing what one has begun. The concept of "finishing" seems foreign to him. Instead of taking care to finish things and tie up all loose ends, he tends to drop things when he can't handle them any longer or realize that he has neglected them for too long (this might be equally related to suggestive introverted sensing).

Ne as Creative Function (EII, LII)

The individual likes to apply his insights to specific situations and discussions. He grasps a generalized snapshot of the conversation capturing the essential information and then looks at how events, people, concepts, and things are related with each other. By spotting these similarities and analogies he hopes to find general trends, patterns, prevailing attitudes, universal rules and values of his environment and the people within it. He enjoys discussing alternative viewpoints, adding new tangents to a conversation. He provide examples and statements that are idealized and offer a hypothetical view of how things could be rather than how they already are. He does not pursue ideas or new opportunities merely for their own sake, but for their application to specific situations, questions and issues that he feels are important.


Fi as Leading Function (EII, ESI)

The individual sees reality primarily through static personal ethics and stable interpersonal bonds between individuals, including himself, where the status of such interpersonal bonds is determined by his personal ethics. The individual is very confident in evaluating the ethical or moral qualities, and their consistency, of other people. This makes the individual seem "judgemental" or "self-righteous" to people less so inclined. If he has difficulty in deciding the status of a personal relationship, he will take action to try to reach a conclusion but if that continues to elude him, he will regard the relationship as not worth it. His own sense of constancy in personal ethics and in his relationships with others is a very strong factor in his sense of self-worth. Fi in this position implies the ability to almost instantly recognize whether someone is a friend or an enemy, whether they are demonstrating good will or ill will, and whether they are drawn to or repelled by the individual.

Fi as Creative Function (SEE, IEE)

The individual is very adept at perceiving, establishing, and maintaining personal bonds between people. However, these bonds are often perceived as being situational and flexible rather than static. The individual is inclined to focus on establishing personal bonds with other people in the context of realizing or following perceptions from his base function. The person easily creates a sense of closeness and kinship between people by expressing like and acceptance, but these sentiments are situational rather than an expression of permanent feelings. If the person's mood or external situation changes, he or she may "turn off" the feelings instantly, even forgetting whom they had created the feeling of kinship with.
 
#31,265 · (Edited)
@attic and more notes:

Ne of a dom Ne is like, How about I ride a bicycle to work today?? or Would this person react the way I want if I say this? While Ne of an aux is more dwelled in imaginary such as personifying objects, flowers, mental imagery of flying a bike to the moon whatever. Well you can argue that Disney has a walking talking mouse, sure but, the mouse's life is pretty much akin to a person, there is not much dreaminess to it or my example is not perfect. While Ne of an INTP is like how would you ride a bike if there were no gravity? Very different temperaments. There was a good text on time aspect but I don't have it bookmarked (also I might as well since I have a billion bookmarks -_-') But I remember that a Ne dom's future vision is usually rather a short timeframe that starts and ends (with a result) in a near future while the introvert's is more open ended on both arrows of time. This translates as the ENFP's Ne being on more practical matters and the introvert's on more abstract.

I also think that thinker types are commonly though as realists but that is not exactly the case, socionics is better at explaining this but all sensors are the real deal when it is being realist.

So much misconceptions and overly politically correct Briggs Myers is not helping, but after enough observation types become much clear. Well I should have said "key" observation rather, from a stand point to see the general aura and also know enough about the person or having observed them (but might get tricky if you are too close).
 
#31,266 ·
Today was okay, I'm still figuring out how to balance between being positive vs being a pushover; being firm but not being abusive. Also just because I plan the week out in advance doesn't mean I can roll out of bed and teach this stuff. I need to give myself more time to study the materials so it doesn't sound like I'm reading off a script. But making an effort to be positive is helping (not solving; not kidding myself) the depression aspect. I'm not feeling like I'm giving up on my students or anything, anymore at least.

I still need to work on a lot. Planning is an issue, not because I don't have a system, but because sometimes I plan something that my kids can't do yet. That sets them up to fail, and sets me up for frustration.
 
#31,267 ·
Went to the public library and was reminded of why I stopped going to them...

BOOGERS... yes, boogers...


Why the hell are there so many books covered in boogers? On the covers, between the pages and even on the spines...

Has anyone else noticed this??? It really puts me off. I don't think it's just my area either. I've lived on the West cost to the East coast and holy fuck... boogers all over the place...

I hate it when I'm reading something so amazing and I'm totally immersed in the story and then BAM...



...a booger...




I literally just drop the book and can't enjoy it anymore.


STOP WIPING YOUR BOOGERS ALL OVER THE BOOKS!!!
 
#31,268 · (Edited)
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#31,269 ·
Being social and outgoing alone is not a good indicator, my ENFP roommate spends most of her life in her room and does not make friends easily. Though, she talks on her phone all day and night, and right now possibly until 3:30 AM -_-' Others I have known are also ranging in socializing. They almost never want to stay unstimulated though whether it is phone calls or people in person. When she is stressed she goes crazy extroverted, you can see it gets pretty unhealthy actually. I feel bad for her on both scales but since she is a total fraud who refuses to pay her promised part and also said mean things and that she will find a replacement (but didn't) I don't feel like I will go and cheer her up as I used to. I had had offered to find a common ground and apologize on our parts but she just had excuses to the things she has said but no apologies so that was the end of it. She didn't even make an attempt to find a replacement. I need to overcome my anger every time I remember that I am sharing a house with a person who basically is robbing me -_-' Most ENFPs in my life also like to point out that I think too much and I am way too complicated, I should learn to enjoy simple things in life and also not put too much meaning on things (like telling them why gossipping or making fun of a person's look is a circle that keeps the sexism and oppression >.> ya da ya da) They are also always very on a literal level. Ne dom is not the same as Ne aux.
Perhaps I'm not an ENFP, if that's how they behave.
 
#31,270 · (Edited)
Perhaps I'm not an ENFP, if that's how they behave.
Ah, I am sorry latter part is my blabber and venting about -a roommate- rather than type related. The former is an example of my interactions with ENFPs that are on the more introverted scale, I think I have known two who are not as much outgoing but they almost always seek stimulation. One of my former roommates had a mental breakdown and began crying and told me she can not stay in the house and if we could go outside and take a walk. I don't think it was the staying in per se but she possibly wanted company. I have known ENFPs that mostly stick to their circle (however as much as spending a whole day every day with them) and not actively seek more interactions, but all others with no exception are crazy social and want to be around people all the time. For some, very unhealthy levels as if they are running from themselves. Still can't relate? I don't know but I see very certain patterns with -female- ENFPs and I have known closely over 10, more than 15 in a circle, all above 27. I was told similar expressions (to those I wrote in the last part) by roughly a half of them, and I have realized a few others think that way but wouldn't express if I am the one they were talking to, they seem to know when to shut up and what to say to create kinship indeed - unlike me. I have known only two male ENFP, not closely though, they seem more grounded and their conversation is much less superficial, however one of them is hella flirty so I am careful not to get in conversations >.>. I think all female ENFPs with an exception maximize the gender roles. I have known one who were more independent than others that I appreciated but she has become so dependent on me, unable to function when I am not around, I had to put a distance, even she had stirred some female drama with her other girl friends and loved gossip My point was, they think I think too much and I am too sensitive or overreading and can't take some things lightly. I am sorry, but I honestly have a pattern with my experience with female ENFPs. I am hoping for my experience to be invalidated but it is just not happening -_-'
 
#31,271 ·
Went to the public library and was reminded of why I stopped going to them...

BOOGERS... yes, boogers...


Why the hell are there so many books covered in boogers? On the covers, between the pages and even on the spines...

Has anyone else noticed this??? It really puts me off. I don't think it's just my area either. I've lived on the West cost to the East coast and holy fuck... boogers all over the place...

I hate it when I'm reading something so amazing and I'm totally immersed in the story and then BAM...



...a booger...




I literally just drop the book and can't enjoy it anymore.


STOP WIPING YOUR BOOGERS ALL OVER THE BOOKS!!!
I hope a paper cut will teach them a lesson.
 
#31,273 ·
Indian cultures are so heavily culturally appropriated and whitewashed that it is disgusting. It kind of makes me angry. I hate it when people adopt practices or customs from different cultures and are so careless with it. People from their respective cultures come to Europe with the gift of their cultural customs to share the benefits of it and to perhaps globalise the world, and I feel like we steal it from them or completely disrespect it.
 
#31,274 ·
Fi-doms (including me, many times) talk about individualism and rail against conformity. But is that just useless talk unless you're willing to completely leave society, go live somewhere in the wilderness?

I don't know, just something that popped in my head just now. I really need sleep, but it's 7:46 PM where I live and that's more than a little pathetic.
 
#31,275 ·
Fi-doms (including me, many times) talk about individualism and rail against conformity. But is that just useless talk unless you're willing to completely leave society, go live somewhere in the wilderness?
You don't have to take such drastic measures to take pride in your individuality :D I mean sure, we are all a part of the system, and will ever be, accepted but there is a high scale from wilderness to being a puppet who nods to everything and gets in line for the next steve jobs signature item (I should stop saying this cause apparently that makes a lot of people)



I don't know, just something that popped in my head just now. I really need sleep, but it's 7:46 PM where I live and that's more than a little pathetic.
Escaping from life, eh? Hang in there.
 
#31,277 ·
Fi-doms (including me, many times) talk about individualism and rail against conformity. But is that just useless talk unless you're willing to completely leave society, go live somewhere in the wilderness?

I don't know, just something that popped in my head just now. I really need sleep, but it's 7:46 PM where I live and that's more than a little pathetic.
For me the dislike is not of being part, in general, but of being forced(directly, indirectly). When I agree or doesn't care, I don't mind to join in on whatever the group is up too, belonging, joined efforts and such.
 
#31,278 ·
Fi-doms (including me, many times) talk about individualism and rail against conformity. But is that just useless talk unless you're willing to completely leave society, go live somewhere in the wilderness?
I think we must make an effort toward breaking away from society as it's currently defined. Self sufficient communal villages are not only a great way to do that, they are the most reasonable future for society.
 
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