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This is a discussion on Un-related uni Degree or work experiences..? within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I just posted and asked an important question in this particular thread , and in fact, have been asking the ...

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Un-related uni Degree or work experiences..?

    I just posted and asked an important question in this particular thread, and in fact, have been asking the same questions in this board recently,
    and to sum-up my question, it's this:

    For those of you who seem to able to 'hop' from one un-related job into another un-related job, how did you able to do that?..

    Because, perhaps 'brainwashed' with the 'traditional' mindset & environment I'm currently stuck in here, it seems to me that you can only get a job/work/career that's only RELATED with your Uni Degree or previous work experiences, especially during the job-interview and submitting your resume to the employers!..

    So let's say if you have a Fine Arts, or even a Finance Degree (un-related uni Degree, let's say: I took a wrong major when back in Uni, regretfully),
    and if I'm interested in applying for a job in Film and Animation-making industry,
    then how can I sort of 'bypass' all those 'blah formal SJ-ish' formal requirements/prerequisites, to get directly accepted into those un-related job?...

    A good, practical advice on this urgent matter is what I currently really need..to be able to really 'fix' my broken Life..
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    Knowing someone on the inside is virtually always your best bet. Since we're INFPs though, we can skip the likelihood of this being the case.

    Next, volunteer experience can sometimes be just as valuable, if not more, than work experience. You usually get run a bit more ragged in those ventures and you didn't even get paid.

    In terms of Finance -> Fine Arts, one way would be to demonstrate your abilities (even if self taught) would be an online portfolio of relevant work... ie: deviantart page, comic etc. If you want to create references, simply offer free marketing... (?) designs in exchange for a reference.

    I suppose it intends what you intend to do exactly within that Film & Animation because there are some places where financing would be important within an organization like that, but I'm guessing you're not looking for that exactly.

    Last case is simply bending your credentials a tad. For example, since I have Crisis Line experience I have claimed in the past that I am capable of preventing or mitigating harm in other employees as well as knowing how to properly de-escalate customer complaints. I even sorta joked about my first aid experience saying I could take care of people physically and psychologically -- truthfully, they laughed at this, but I got hired.

    p.s. A surprising number of people have a degree in an unrelated field than what they're currently in.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Volunteering in the area you are interested in is a great idea. If there is a particular place you really want to work offer your services for free. You get to know the people, see what they do, learn valuable things about the industry and then if a job comes up they know you and what you can do and you will have a good chance of being hired. I got a job this way. It's ok if you can manage financially of course.

    Another way to add to your C.V. and portfolio without major studying would be to take relevant short courses.

    I completely understand your problem. I started out doing a design degree but changed to art history major and really regret it but the thought of going back and starting over is not appealing. And I can't make up my mind about what I want to do anyway. At least you know so you are lucky!!!
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I studied chemistry but I got into IT.
    I went round many careers fair asking (blue chip) employers, what it would take for me to get into their companies. Many of them gave me a very realistic picture and feedback. In doing this, I was able to then understand the kind of IT companies that are out there, and what they do, as well as who they look for. I was never able to get into a geeky coding company. As I did not have IT as my first degree. So I went into these "business consulting" kind of companies using applications. They took anybody from any discipline and train and groom them. Some of them said my chances would be better if I had higher grades 2.1+ or a conversion course. Then I took the conversion course route and got into the industry. Then I just became a specialist for 10 years. I always and continued to try to stay with customer (people focused) side of things. (From my above example, you can abstract information like, in any saturated industry it will be split into different categories. There will always be an opportunity, or a "door" to allow you to enter. Most often than not, that door is one that is based on new categories.)

    I have also been thinking about a lot of different types of jobs and industry and been trying to transition over. To me, there is more than one way to skin a cat and I truly believe in that now. I guess you should use any information that you found out about the world, and leverage to your best advantage. It is really a lot of work, but it means that you got to see yourself as the commodity and cross sell yourself into somewhere or something else.

    and if I'm interested in applying for a job in Film and Animation-making industry,
    then how can I sort of 'bypass' all those 'blah formal SJ-ish' formal requirements/prerequisites, to get directly accepted into those un-related job?...
    Okay, so my brainstorming mind would consider these areas based on my own exposure of the film acting industry.
    - you cannot go via the traditional route, uni then animation studios...
    - you need to make your life experience and fine tune your skills to sell you forward

    I would also start doing some homework too:
    - find out how many animation companies are out in the world
    - find out where they are geographically across the world
    - find out the different job positions available in the animation industry
    - map out the process flow of how a film gets made from beginning to end
    - find out what was the biggest grossing animation film across the world
    - find out the list of animation films ever produced, and map that towards the different location across the world

    I mean, understanding the above, literally allows you to then see what the industry is like, what and how is an animated film made ? Then target your own skills and interest into a particular area. Also, move in a direction that the industry will grow towards too. Having this indepth understanding allows you to be that one step ahead of the game and be competitive. i.e. animation came from 2D to 3D and the games industry changed the way movies are made. The next phase of animation may possibly be 3D with sensory experiences thrown into the mix too. 3D TV have started to be introduced into the domestic market. Sensory experiences like scratch card for smellings and 3D glasses have made its way into cinemas. (Early experiment.) So you can see where the next possible set of skills are going to be, right? i.e. those who can be a part of the sensory experiment will be hired. This is from the US side.

    However, across the globe, there may be a retro feeling towards it. Traditional animation created and sold globally are going to stand by their skillset. Since America is chasing the technological differences, other animation creating methods will stay the same towards a particular style of animation making methods. Studio Ghibli = traditional sketch making. Aardman_Animations = Plasticines (Wallace & Gromits) Aardman Animations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They may or may not collaborate, but as you can see, the direction of the industry is pretty much defined.

    By the way, even as the industry moves on, there are always new opportunities. For example, I know one Asian girl, became a script writer for a children cartoon show by the BBC. She was able to bring some more authentic Asian mythology to the cartoons produced by the BBC. BBC - Writersroom - Who We Are As we become more globalise, I think each country is starting to own a piece of the film or tv pie. It would be pretty good if you can indeed join or maybe utilise the internet to create some kind of unique stories or animations or short films about your respective country and its history or culture. Cos the Indie film market is really there to champion what local skills are in each other. Your film would be kind of be your unique selling point in the future.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I think it depends on what specific job position you are applying for and the responsibilities that are required of the job. Some job positions can be obtained even if your degree is unrelated, or you could get in if you have a good portfolio. However for this, it would be better to find out from the people studying or working in this field as they are likely to know how the recruitment works. Perhaps you can try to take up part-time jobs in this industry in order to talk to these people. Or post this question in a forum that is career-related in your own country.

    I took a business degree as well and am planning to switch to a career in nursing in future. However, having a nursing qualification is compulsory so I got to go back to studying next time. Unfortunately some careers require degree/diploma by hook or by crook. All the best for your future career path :)
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I was applying for a copywriting position once and the guy interviewing me asked me what I had written. I was stumped.

    I think it helps to be able to show some evidence that you have relevant skills. So if you can put together a portfolio of some things you have done, even if you didn't get paid for them, it will be a help. If you don't have such evidence at hand, you will need to work on creating it. Doing so through volunteering is a great way. For several of the jobs I listed, I went into them willing to do them for no pay.

    But how do you even get the interview in the first place? This is kind of the crux of the biscuit, because it takes a lot more time to obtain the interview than it does to make the transition from interview to offer. The answer, much as it seems like a painful process for INFPs, is networking. One way or another, you have to let people know what you want to do. And the more people know it, the better your chances of meeting someone who can introduce you to someone who knows someone else who might be looking for someone to do something similar to what you want to do. It's actually easier using today's social media tools than it ever was when all networking was either face-to-face or through the hand-written or typed letter. But you do have to get yourself out there. Nobody is going to come looking for you if they have no idea who you are or what you can offer them.

    And remember this: most people will only offer you a job if you have been able to convince them that you offer something of value to them in return. If you have yet to acquire the requisite experience, the best thing you can offer them is your time and effort at no cost to them. In the olden days it used to be called apprenticeship and that was how everybody got their jobs.

    Here is something else I learned. It is a process, not a single event. All work is about relationships. And the process of creating mutually beneficial relationships is an important skill to develop. You can't expect anything to happen overnight. Successful relationships have to be cultivated. I use a behavioral model for consultative selling for everything I do. It works because it focuses on what the other person needs and because everything we do... everything is consultative selling. If you don't believe that, I only hope that you come around to it some day. Like many handy business tools, it comes in the form of an acronym. I may have posted it on this forum once before -- can't recall.


    B is for building trust. Building trust means acting at all times with complete integrity. If you are honest about what you can do and deliver what you promise, you will build trust. And this is the foundation of everything that follows. In fact, you never stop building trust. As soon as you do something that undermines trust, the whole relationship can collapse, right?

    E is for exchanging information. When you exchange information, you are primarily listening. You want to ask questions and let the other person answer. If their answer raises another question, ask it. Spin threads of knowledge by exchanging information with another person. This is where you can also tell someone what you want to do or what you think you can offer. But don't try to sell a solution during this stage. The time is not right because you have not accomplished the critical next step.

    A is for agreeing on needs. It goes both ways. If a client or a prospective employer tells me what they want, I remain in exchanging information mode and ask critical questions about that statement. What is the problem that getting what you want will solve? When do you need a solution? Who is affected? What happens if you can't solve the problem? How are you doing it now? Also, if I tell someone what I want to do, those same questions can apply to me. But here is the magic. When two people agree on what they need, then a world of opportunities begins to open up.

    M is for making recommendations. If you have achieved that agreement on needs, any recommendation you might make that addresses those needs specifically will be given serious consideration at minimum. Perhaps it leads to more exchanging of information and a deeper examination of needs, which can lead to an even better proposed solution. If you are in the position of the customer or the hiring manager, which is more attractive to you? Somebody coming in and telling you what you need? Or somebody who works with you to understand what you need and then helps you to solve that problem? It takes time to get to this point and there are no shortcuts. But if you follow the process, you will recognize times when it becomes clear that you have no solution. Then you can gracefully remove yourself from the situation and not waste either your or your client's valuable time any more. But if you do present a recommendation of what you can do to help, the client may accept your recommendation and then you have a deal.

    S is for supporting the commitment. Here is where the process comes full circle. By supporting the commitment, you are continuing to build trust, and exchange information, and agree on needs, and make recommendations all in the interest of your client/boss/relationship partner.

    I have found that when I follow this process mindfully, good things tend to result. If I shortcut, not so much. But you need to be patient because you won't have a solution for everybody. Only make commitments when you have agreed on what is needed and when you are confident you can provide a solution that solves that problem.

    Best of luck to you on this journey.
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