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INFPs and religion?

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This is a discussion on INFPs and religion? within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I'm an agnostic-atheist, but I do understand the pull of "religious" work. The thought of a simple life in service ...

  1. #21

    I'm an agnostic-atheist, but I do understand the pull of "religious" work. The thought of a simple life in service to others has great appeal for me, I just can't bring myself t believe in all the stuff that goes along with it. I have no problem with those who believe, most of my loved ones do, it just doesn't gibe with me.
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  2. #22

    Now that's a very interesting, very nuanced question. There are a lot of ways it could be answered.

    I suppose if you take "religion" to mean a structured series of rules that one is supposed to follow in order to personally achieve some sort of salvation, then no, I don't consider myself religious. I was when I was younger, but it often left me feeling unsatisfied.

    But then I met a pastor at a new church who shocked me during one of his sermons by opening with, "religion can never save anyone." He explained Christianity as a spiritual relationship rather than an almanac of rules that one can never hope to fulfill in its entirety.

    So I look at belief systems such as Catholicism and Islam as religious and Christianity - Protestant Christianity, if we're using common vernacular - as spiritual.

    In all, I'd say that makes me spiritual, and I'm thankful every day for it. My walk with Christ has been a source of strength and inspiration in many ways.

  3. #23

    Spiritual.

    Raised by hardcore atheist parents, their views never made sense to me as a child. One day sitting on my bunker bed age 3-4, my mom randomly asked me if I believed in God, and I said yes. She punished me, and from then on I always kept my beliefs and intuitions to myself. Whenever I accidentally slipped up and mentioned energies, or Source, or whatever else, more punishment. I talked to my personal god inside my head, but it wasn't the Christian god or anything, it was something abstract that I called The Universe. I refined my beliefs in secret, reading books behind closed doors, and in my late teens (17-18) someone outside my family asked me "you sound like a pagan". I began research, and it wasn't until a few years ago that I began to use the term to describe my spiritual beliefs.
    My parents now aren't so angry anymore, they have had to accept it. But religion and spirituality is/are topics that we don't talk about because my mother goes crazy, so it's best not to trigger her.
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  4. #24

    No clue. I'll go with not-religious, spiritual freethinker.

    Grew up Baptist Christian, struggled hardcore with faith. Mom could do tongue prayers, I couldn't. Was told I had to pray very hard for a very long time and then it would naturally just flow. Dafuq kinda instructions are those. So I sat there and thought about all the suffering and struggle in the world besides me and my friends/family. Nothing came. I had this awesome moment when I knelt in bed with my hands on my pillow, and my hands started tingling and burning during my prayer. ...And then I tried it another day without praying and the same thing happened, turned out to be blood circulation getting cut off from my hands.

    Struggled with a lot of cognitive dissonance and shame because I didn't mesh up quite well with Christianity, but I repressed my own beliefs and went with my religion. Did some more of it in high school/college going to new churches and camps to meet people. And boy, was I turned off by some Christians. It was hard for me to tell if they were genuine in their beliefs when I could disagree and tear apart their motivations for being Christian so easily. It also bothered me because it revealed the same about myself.

    But I'd still get triggered whenever anyone would criticize/trash talk Christianity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Wishy-washy-Yoshi.

    Did some agnostic/atheist questioning during later college years, particularly after taking courses in critical thinking/sociology. Didn't quite fit, but it was easy as fuck to adopt agnostic/atheistic attitudes.

    Been on a journey of unplugging from social conditioning. Terrifying and liberating at the same time.

    Oh, and in terms of 'how much' of a freethinker I am, it's pretty strong. Just not that outspoken about it. A lot of people would assume I'm Christian because I don't decline offers to pray for others/receive prayers.

  5. #25

    Spiritual, but I read the Bible, believe in the Godhead, etc. It's much less about rituals and more about my actual relationship wit hGod and the lifestyle that comes with that, so...that's why I don't label myself religious.
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  6. #26
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    Religion helped us create laws and morals and some good traditions, so I don't hate nor diss it. It's just the supernatural stuff I don't agree with because I've never seen nor experienced it and there's no overall proof. Sin was a horrible thing humanity created to keep order within society. Religion has also killed and violated both adults and children. I also tend to be very skeptical on something written over 1,500 years ago. The elite who wrote religious texts were obviously very clever philosophers. They would have to be the top 1% of the world's cleverest (or perhaps privileged) people to even have had the ability to read and write 1,500 years ago.

    I'm completely generalising here, but I think my generation here in Britain maybe post religion. Nobody I know my age is particularly religious. However, they are very materialistic, consumerist and superficial, which is even worse in my opinion.

    There are 4,200 religions in the world. They can't all be right. And I don't think any of them are right. I wish I could revoke my baptism, but apparently you can't. I won't be christening any of my children because they deserve the choice when they are old enough to make a decision for themselves.
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  7. #27

    I'm religious. I'm a mazdakist. I'm a follower of Mazdak.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak

    Some sources claim that the original founders of this sect lived earlier than Mazdak. These were another mobad, Zaradust-e Khuragen[5] (distinct from the founder of Zoroastrianism, Zoroaster, Middle Persian Zardusht) and/or a Zoroastrian philosopher known as Mazdak the Elder, who taught a combination of altruism and hedonism: "he directed his followers to enjoy the pleasures of life and satisfy their appetite in the highest degree with regard to eating and drinking in the spirit of equality, to aim at good deeds; to abstain from shedding blood and inflicting harm on others; and to practise hospitality without reservation".[2] This doctrine was further developed by the much better-known Mazdak the Younger, son of Bāmdād.

    At later stages the conservative Zoroastrian opposition accused Mazdak's followers of heresy and with abhorrent practices such as the sharing of women, for which scholars have found no evidence. Mazdak's followers are considered to be the first real socialists in human history by their emphasis on community property and community work with benefits accruing to all.[1][6]

    Theological tenets

    Like both Zoroastrianism (at least as practised at the time) and Manichaeism, Mazdakism had a dualistic cosmology and worldview.[3] This doctrine taught that there were two original principles of the universe: Light, the good one; and Darkness, the evil one. These two had been mixed by a cosmic accident, tainting everything except God. Light is characterized by knowledge and feeling, and acts by design and free will, whereas Darkness is ignorant and blind, and acts at random. Mankind's role in this life was, through good conduct, to release the parts of himself that belonged to Light. But where Manichaeism saw the mixture of good and bad as a cosmic tragedy, Mazdak viewed this in a more neutral, even optimistic way.

    In addition, Mazdakism is reported, in one late work, to have distinguished three elements (Fire, Water, Earth), and four Powers (Discernment, Understanding, Preservation and Joy, corresponding to the four chief officials of the Sassanid state – the Chief Mobad (Mobadan Mobad), the Chief Herbad, the Commander of the Army and the Entertainment Master), seven Viziers and twelve Spiritual Forces. When the Four, the Seven and the Twelve were united in a human being, he was no longer subject to religious duties. In addition, God was believed to rule the world through letters, which held the key to the Great Secret that should be learned. This description suggests that Mazdakism was, in many ways, a typical Gnostic sect.[7]

    Ethical and social principles

    Two distinguishing factors of Mazdak's teaching were the reduction of the importance of religious formalities—the true religious person being the one who understood and related correctly to the principles of the universe—and a criticism of the strong position of mainstream clergy, who, he believed, had oppressed the Persian population and caused much poverty.

    Mazdak emphasised good conduct, which involved a moral and ascetic life, no killing and vegetarianism (considering meat to contain substances derived solely from Darkness), being kind and friendly and living in peace with other people. In many ways Mazdak's teaching can be understood as a call for social revolution, and has been referred to as early "communism".[6] He and his followers were also advocates of free love.[8]

    According to Mazdak, God had originally placed the means of subsistence on earth so that people should divide them among themselves equally, but the strong had coerced the weak, seeking domination and causing the contemporary inequality. This in turn empowered the "Five Demons" that turned men from Righteousness—these were Envy, Wrath, Vengeance, Need and Greed. To prevail over these evils, justice had to be restored and everybody should share excess possessions with his fellow men. Mazdak allegedly planned to achieve this by making all wealth common or by re-distributing the excess,[9] although it is unclear how he intended to organize that in terms of regulations and to what extent his position has been caricatured by hostile sources.[10] The hostile sources mostly dwell on the alleged "sharing" of women, the resulting sexual promiscuity and the confusion of the line of descent. Since the latter is a standard accusation against heretical sects, its veracity has been doubted by researchers; it is likely that Mazdak took measures against the widespread polygamy of the rich and lack of wives for the poor.

  8. #28

    Atheist. Not really a fan of religion on the whole I believe it pretty much ruins people's brains and makes societies worse/more intolerant and ignorant. I don't mind it as a personal belief though I do think the Earth should move towards atheism or at least secularism by the end of the century, hopefully.

    I was vaguely religious until I was about 15, I used to believe roughly in some kind of God and pray asking for things (course, they never worked), then I read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and started to give the question serious thought. It is really impossible to believe in religion unless you apply a different standard of evidence to it than you do to every other idea you could make up, and demand less of it to prove it's true. Looking back now most religious belief is quite irrational and involves a conscious choice to suspend critical thinking.

    Jimmy Carr the comedian said something that resonated true with me, "Losing your religion is something everyone should go through, it's a unique experience." My view of the world is much more realistic now than when I was younger, though perhaps there are other things besides atheism that explain that. But I would say my view of the world has fundamentally changed.

    Now it seems clear to me that most societies on most planets will probably approach something like gods and religion as a way to explain the world before evolution, science, astronomy etc etc are measurable.
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  9. #29

    I was an atheist, but i'm not interested in anymore, i'm looking for an alternative religion, since i'm strongly opposed to the three main evil monotheist religions: judaism, christianity and islam.

  10. #30

    I wasn't always "religious" but I always believed in God, in one way or another.

    Two years ago though, I met God, and ever since then I have been devoted to the Christian faith. I love Jesus more than words can express.

    The word "religious" however has a bad connotation. The true Christian faith is about having a living relationship with your Savior, with the One who loves you to literal death. It's beautiful and challenging and the best thing for the human soul. Very spiritual.

    "Religion" without a living connection to the Spirit of God can be dry at best and harsh at worst though, so I completely understand that a lot of people would be antagonistic towards it.

    I usually encourage people to look into the Scriptures themselves and actually talk to God directly and ask Him to reveal Himself to them. There's little point in asking others about it, it has to be personal. It can only be personal.
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