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This is a discussion on Intj/entj within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; From what I understand, ENTJs are one of the more introverted extravert types and are often easily confused with INTJs. ...

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    ENTJ

    Intj/entj

    From what I understand, ENTJs are one of the more introverted extravert types and are often easily confused with INTJs. What would you say some primary differences are between ENTJs and INTJs?



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    ENTJ


    Building on the premise that you're xNTJ:
    - If everyone knows that you hate pineapple when you actually hate pineapple, you're ENTJ.
    - If you hate the sound of snoring, and anyone who snores will rather stay up the whole night than sleep in the same room with you, then you're ENTJ.
    - If you're just trying to tell someone that they did a good job for once, and they reply 'I'm sorry I'm so sorry please forgive me' in utter terror, then you're ENTJ.
    - If you miss a shot in basketball and then rationalize it in a way that factors in the sun, the temperature, the humidity, your mental state, your shoes, your hair, your shirt, and you actually successfully deliver that ratiocination in 3 fast sentences, then you're ENTJ.
    - If you sometimes feel like just dancing in front of the mirror to the 'Ooh you touch my tralala' song, you're ENTJ.

    Opposing case:
    - If a person is bullshitting in front of you about your favorite animu, and you lose stamina even before trying to enlighten him with thy weaboo knowledge, then you're INTJ.
    - If your crush compliments you on your knowledge of electronics, and in 3 weeks you start making your own laptops instead of not being a social retard and just initiating conversation with your crush, then you're INTJ.
    - If debating with an ENTP feels no different from extorting your live brain out of your skull and beating it with a cactus, then you're INTJ.

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    It is often quite easy to tell the difference between an extrovert and an introvert, the core type is quite similar. While certainly an INTJ can be a good speaker, an ENTJ will be a lot more fluid and naturally talkative.

    Which is which?
     

     

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I've been wondering if my boyfriend is after all an INTJ. He had taken the MBTI-test at school, scoring as an ENTJ but a rather ambiverted one. We've known each other for 4 months and I don't really see the E in him. Here are a few examples:

    - We recently went to a party. As we entered the place I was talking to everyone, going from one person to another etc. My boyfriend stood closer to walls, observing people and later on finding two people who he spent the evening with, talking etc. The next day he would ask me about who the rest of the guests were etc.

    - He has a very small, tight circle of friends whom he's known for a long time and will not easily bond with new people. If we meet 20 new people at a party, he'll "accept" like two of them. Same thing with my friends.

    - Meeting new people, I'll do the talking, he'll observe.

    - He's perfectly happy spending the weekend at home, not going anywhere. Also, after a day at work, a party, any social interaction basically, he needs to be alone and simply won't go out.

    - He'll think things through in his head and doesn't have a specific need to share them out loud. He also tends to get so lost in his head that he simply won't hear what's going on around him or if someone's talking to him and so on.

    - Also, he tends to sort of "pause and reflect" things alone. Sometimes I might tell him/point out something and he won't really answer so I'll just let it be. Then hours/days/weeks later he'll come to me and tell me how he's been thinking about what I said. It still often amazes/impresses me how much he thinks about stuff.

    - He doesn't like to be the center of attention or standing in the middle of the room etc.

    To wrap things up, my boyfriend is not shy. I'm a rather ambiverted ENFP and need quite a lot of time alone. Still, next to him I often seem like a puppy craving constant attention and company So what do you think, does he sound more I to you? Only thing I know for sure is he's just awesome.

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Oh and one more point, me and his mom both call him "the researcher" due to his habit, haha. If he is interested in a topic, a public figure, a phenomenon etc. he can spend literally hours looking up information of that specific topic. He will really delve into what ever he's interested in.

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    INTJ

    @missleana he's INTJ, no question.
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    ENTJ


    The conclusion is pretty clear, but I want to go in detail here only to clear out some misconceptions about ENTJs.
    Quote Originally Posted by missleana View Post
    - We recently went to a party. As we entered the place I was talking to everyone, going from one person to another etc. My boyfriend stood closer to walls, observing people and later on finding two people who he spent the evening with, talking etc. The next day he would ask me about who the rest of the guests were etc.
    Not diagnostic. I prefer sticking to the walls and observing, too, when I'm among complete strangers and have no one who can introduce me to newer people. And if the newer people don't seem too interested in talking with me (although, that's 8/10 times impossible), I'll prefer observing again.

    - He has a very small, tight circle of friends whom he's known for a long time and will not easily bond with new people. If we meet 20 new people at a party, he'll "accept" like two of them. Same thing with my friends.
    Applies to ENTJs too. We're the least social of extrovert types. Our sociability depends on the people we interact with, not on ourselves. Surrounded by interesting people, we can go on for hours. But with boring, unintelligent, people, we're mute.

    - Meeting new people, I'll do the talking, he'll observe.
    Talking to new people requires an incentive for ENTJs. If you give me a good reason why I should talk to these people, I will. Otherwise, I'd prefer observing too. Again, not a diagnostic piece of information.

    - He's perfectly happy spending the weekend at home, not going anywhere. Also, after a day at work, a party, any social interaction basically, he needs to be alone and simply won't go out.
    Same here. And I'm ENTJ. I should reiterate: We don't put any value in socializing; we only put value in the people we socialize with. Tell me to go to an expensive party and I'll reject. But one good friend on my door is an invitation for the whole night out.

    - He'll think things through in his head and doesn't have a specific need to share them out loud. He also tends to get so lost in his head that he simply won't hear what's going on around him or if someone's talking to him and so on.
    Again, sharing requires incentive. If I don't have a good reason, I won't share too. And getting lost in your head? that's quite common. Happens to me too.

    - Also, he tends to sort of "pause and reflect" things alone. Sometimes I might tell him/point out something and he won't really answer so I'll just let it be. Then hours/days/weeks later he'll come to me and tell me how he's been thinking about what I said. It still often amazes/impresses me how much he thinks about stuff.
    It can happen to anyone, really. But as for thinking over something someone dear said, I do that too. It's the Ni curse.

    - He doesn't like to be the center of attention or standing in the middle of the room etc.
    Probably the only piece that gives him away as INTJ.

    To wrap things up, my boyfriend is not shy. I'm a rather ambiverted ENFP and need quite a lot of time alone. Still, next to him I often seem like a puppy craving constant attention and company So what do you think, does he sound more I to you? Only thing I know for sure is he's just awesome.
    With that last piece plus all others combined, it's safe to say he's INTJ. But all points, except the last one, considered alone don't really have any diagnostic value in this matter.
    Last edited by Stawker; 03-02-2017 at 11:12 AM.
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    different reasons for any caring we do about what others think. and different styles of addressing/dealing with it, imo.

    it's probably too easy for me to think entjs are mostly mouth and not much trouser when it comes to not giving a stuff, but that's certainly been my experience with the individual two that i've known. they both cared. but they both seemed to very much want to have my kind of indifference, and both of them got hostile and manipulative once they realised i wasn't faking it in the same way they were.

    i guess a simplistic way of expressing that might be that they seem to externalize their insecurities, and i know i internalize mine**. when they come across a discrepancy between what is and what they want to think, their reflex seems to be to try and bully the external truth into adapting to them. mine is to hunker down, batten the hatches against the 'outside' and try to do my recalibration and dissonance-reconciliation from the inside.

    **edit: plus i think the insecurities themselves really do come from quite different zones.
    Last edited by lilysocks; 03-04-2017 at 05:58 PM.

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    The most consistent way to tell the difference between CF INTJs and CF ENTJs, for me, is actually to try and differentiate between tert Fi/inferior Se and tert Se/inferior Fi in the person's behavior. ENTJs can seem more externally emotionless or resistant to expressing their subjective valuations because their repression of Fi is more complete, and their use of Se is usually much more obvious even if, as a tertiary/relief function, it's still kind of childish. Having Te + Se higher in their stacking makes them arguably the most common sensical/naturally realistic of the NTs.
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    From what I've noticed compared to myself and my ENTJ friends, is that they value or need action far more than I'm willing to do in the beginning stages of making a decision. In fact, it's not uncommon for me to hear from my ENTJ friends, "You spend too much time thinking about these things, you just need to act on it."

    This shows multiple things:

    ENTJs lead with Extroverted Thinking and they have a better connection to Extroverted Sensing, as it's in the tertiary position rather than the inferior. The INTJ is more concerned with the vision and building the steps needed to achieve that vision (Ni/Te), whereas the ENTJ is more concerned with the organization of their external world and how they can act now to achieve what they want (Te/Ni).

    INTJs as well concern themselves more with the abstract or conceptual understanding of any one thing, as Ni is taking dominance in order to build a worldview and then making use of that perception (Ni/Te). An ENTJ is going to only sit on something long enough to find a use or purpose for it and then move on (Te/Ni).

    In short:

    - ENTJs are going to focus more-so on the external world to understand how to organize or rationalize it (Extroverted Juging).
    - INTJs are going to focus more on the underlining meaning of the external world in order to build a perception of what any one thing means (Introverted Perception).

    I didn't reference social introversion or extroversion here, because I think the extroverted or introverted nature of the functions make more sense.
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