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This is a discussion on A lot of questions. within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Greetings. Recently one of my friends introduced me to the idea of MBTI and personality types. Ever since then I ...

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    INTJ


    A lot of questions.

    Greetings. Recently one of my friends introduced me to the idea of MBTI and personality types. Ever since then I found the theory of the functions and how they work/interact fascinating.

    Onto my first question: At my first try, I tested as an INFP, mostly because I felt like I misunderstood the question. The next few tries I got a variable mix of INTP/INTJ, because I felt like the INFP personality description did not suit me at all. After doing extensive research (and taking a whole amount of consecutive tests, cognitive functions, INTP/INTJ test, you name it), I was tested as INTJ, and I found I agreed with their cognitive functions a lot more. However that knowledge does not satisfy me as of yet, as a nagging amount of doubt still remains for some obscene reason. I was wondering if there was a more definitive way of making this clear, so I could put the question to rest.

    Every test I taken shown that my primary function (according to the test) is Ni (Introverted Intuition), according to the tests. I wonder also how does that manifest for you INTJ's? Some examples are (what I think is Ni):

    1) Asking myself a question and pretty much knowing the answer to it without covering the topic at all. An instance would be something like, why is the grass green, to which something would tell me is the amount of chlorophyll in it, and the perception of the green gamma scale to the human eye, and then it goes to minute details such as why is it in that position, and angle and how does it contribute to the environment.

    This works differently on people but I can perceive what motives they have at being at that particular place and why. An example would be when I was on the train, I deduced a guy was working for asus and was here on a vacation, just based on the quality of clothing, the asus branding on his shirt, his Indian accent, and his equipment. I turned out to be right when I asked him.

    2) Dreams that frequently occur in the real world. Sometimes they are nothing dramatic, but pictures or still pictures of what will happen. I dreamed about a place where I would have my lecture and a few weeks later there it was, right down to the exact details (me and the group surveying the land).

    3) Random theories. They just make sense, that is all I can say. For fear of being judged, they are something like this: Why do fire-fighters use sand to fight fire. So my first thought would be why is that so? That same voice would say sand is a dry substance, and fire needs moisture and oxygen to burn. Then the idea of particle sizes came up, to which got me thinking, does fire rely on particles to burn. That voice provided an image of a grainy log in a fireplace burning. To which I thought if the particle sizes of a substance is bigger than a particle size of the fire sustained from said log, then theoretically than it all depends on what substance you use. Hence why a fireblanket is so effective because it is so dense. Then the idea of 3 ideas of balance occured, a balance that is opposite (fire and earth), a balance that is in harmony (fire and oxygen forming combustion), and the inferior balance (the grain sizes relying on teh effect of the fire). These theories are completely random and scare me a bit. All that reasoning happens in a matter of seconds.

    Another question I have is how do INTJ's deal with INFJ's? I had one a friend, but despite my attempts at being a friend to him he stubbornly refused the efforts, claiming that the age gap between me and himself is too much, (a gap of 5 years). After much, my attempts to become his friend would become more and more futile, as I was actually afraid to ask him questions. I felt like I was walking on the proverbial eggshells, and so ended the relationship. But now I am actually ask whether I did the correct thing, as he was there for me emotionally and helped me understand myself a lot better. Perhaps he was an unhealthy INFJ or there is something that I am missing?

    Sorry for this overload of information, and if I came across as too boastful. Thank you for your help, those questions have bothered me for a while, and I would be happy to see them resting.
    Last edited by Agent X; 05-22-2017 at 10:16 PM. Reason: Updated for clarification.



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    So let me get this right. You took the test, didn't like the answer it gave you then researched and re-tested until you got the answer you wanted. I don't think it quite works like that. The whole problem with MBTI and indeed any kind of personality testing is that people have an internal bias of how they see themselves, which may have zero to do with how they really are. But when the answers they give don't result in the preferred diagnosis they then work out how to test with the results they want.

    If I take enough IQ tests I'm pretty sure I'll start scoring over 130, but that wouldn't be a measure of my IQ so much as a measure of my ability to learn to take IQ tests. Humans are adaptive, and because of that it's very difficult to quantify things like personality as a type.

    Even if you believe in personality types as something solid, INTJ does not hold the patent on critical thinking, deductive reasoning or leveraging known concepts as ways to infer solutions on unknown subjects.

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    INTJ


    Quote Originally Posted by EndsOfTheEarth View Post
    So let me get this right. You took the test, didn't like the answer it gave you then researched and re-tested until you got the answer you wanted. I don't think it quite works like that. The whole problem with MBTI and indeed any kind of personality testing is that people have an internal bias of how they see themselves, which may have zero to do with how they really are. But when the answers they give don't result in the preferred diagnosis they then work out how to test with the results they want.

    If I take enough IQ tests I'm pretty sure I'll start scoring over 130, but that wouldn't be a measure of my IQ so much as a measure of my ability to learn to take IQ tests. Humans are adaptive, and because of that it's very difficult to quantify things like personality as a type.

    Even if you believe in personality types as something solid, INTJ does not hold the patent on critical thinking, deductive reasoning or leveraging known concepts as ways to infer solutions on unknown subjects.
    I started researching the types after I got the mix of INTP/INTJ results, and I did not "force" the tests if you will to get a specific result. As far as I am aware, I was completely honest, but various tests have different outcomes. I am aware that I put a bit of stock into the theory of MBTI but I do see your point. Nonetheless it is a question that I would like answered.

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    @Agent X (your name CLEARLY proves you are INTJ. They're all secret agents.)

    Your points:

    1. Interesting with the asus guy. I myself enjoy trying to figure that sort of thing out, though it's my Si-Te combo that assists with it in my case. Your description seems Ni ish, though I can't quite tell how you based your reasoning.

    2. I think this may just be a thing that happens? It happens to me occasionally, however I think I'd be less likely to put much stock in it, or give it much a thought until the moment has come and gone, so yeah, that is more Ni to your credit.

    3. Your description is Ni, though the words "random theories" make me think Ne over Ni. Ne is really... out there sometimes.

    The INFJ Thing:
    I'm confused; you were close enough where you could open up your feelings but far enough to the point where your friend would ignore you for an age gap? You were friends but he didn't want to accept your efforts to be a friend so you weren't friends except you were friends enough to the point where "ending" it was an accurate term? Right now, I'm probably way more confused about your relationship than you are.

  5. #5
    INTJ


    Quote Originally Posted by Librarian View Post
    @Agent X (your name CLEARLY proves you are INTJ. They're all secret agents.)

    Your points:

    1. Interesting with the asus guy. I myself enjoy trying to figure that sort of thing out, though it's my Si-Te combo that assists with it in my case. Your description seems Ni ish, though I can't quite tell how you based your reasoning.

    2. I think this may just be a thing that happens? It happens to me occasionally, however I think I'd be less likely to put much stock in it, or give it much a thought until the moment has come and gone, so yeah, that is more Ni to your credit.

    3. Your description is Ni, though the words "random theories" make me think Ne over Ni. Ne is really... out there sometimes.

    The INFJ Thing:
    I'm confused; you were close enough where you could open up your feelings but far enough to the point where your friend would ignore you for an age gap? You were friends but he didn't want to accept your efforts to be a friend so you weren't friends except you were friends enough to the point where "ending" it was an accurate term? Right now, I'm probably way more confused about your relationship than you are.
    Thank you for your response. The INFJ thing as you described is more along the lines that we were "friends" at one point, until a moment when I was at my lowest and he helped me out. This thing became more and more common until I could barely get a conversation out him. It was like we suddenly lost all points of interest. From there I noticed he used more an more excuses to stop hanging out with me/doing things inside of games and then that age-gap excuse appeared. Combining all that, I called it quits with him, and until this day never looked back. Regardless of how he treated me, or I treated him, I still respect him as a person. The relationship was one sided I would argue.
    Last edited by Agent X; 05-22-2017 at 10:41 PM.

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    INTJ


    Bump, wanting more input on this query.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Could you be an INTJ? Maybe, but it is not possible to tell from your post. Specific examples of how you think about something are not that useful, because 1) we do not know if these are typical of your day to day behavior and 2) functions do not operate in isolation.

    Your examples could be that of Ni-Te at work, or they could be Se-Ti, or Te-Ni, or Si-Te, or something else altogether.

    You need to look at patterns of thinking and behavior, which is what the tests try to pin down. For many people, it is not clear. And really, why should it be? It's not like there are little baskets we all fit into perfectly. People are much more complicated than that.

    One major problem with MBTI is that it assumes you have a great level of self-knowledge, and that you are objective about yourself. But that is basically impossible. The other problem is that it is easy to read the type descriptions, and answer the questions so that you get the result of the type you believe you are. Most people don't do this consciously, but we are very good at tricking ourselves this way, and it happens frequently.

    I wouldn't worry too much about what type you are. Jung, Myers, and Briggs wanted to help us understand that people use different tools when they interact and solve problems. MBTI is quite useful for that. It's not so useful for assigning categories.
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    Thank you for the input, I think that clarifies the issue.
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