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    The difference between INTJ and ISTJ?

    Hello all,
    I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

    I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

    What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

    Thanks!



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    The ones I know are a bit more meticulous than I am and I mean that as a compliment. I feel like while we get (approximately) the same result, I would look a little undisciplined if you compared our processes. I think this is how they get tagged as "by the book."

    INTP's dad is an ISTJ and dad and I are like 2 peas in a pod. We are very similar - we're both organized jerks who you don't want to meet at a Monopoly board; however, the main difference that I notice is that he will do things completely and correctly vs I am satisfied with done but not necessarily perfect. He is more regimented and methodical than I am. I'm more like eh, you don't really need all of these steps.

    I'm gonna page @Nashvols to this thread since he gets to bask in the double IxTJ rainbow and perhaps can articulate the differences from a more objective pov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefsweetteaa View Post
    Hello all,
    I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

    I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

    What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

    Thanks!
    Connection to reality. If you feel removed from it, it's more likely you're an N type. If you feel more anchored to it, it's more likely you're an S type. That's the best way I can describe it based on my own experiences and the experiences of the N vs S types I know.

    Anchored might not be the best word. It might just be "aware". Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefsweetteaa View Post
    Hello all,
    I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

    I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

    What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    Connection to reality. If you feel removed from it, it's more likely you're an N type. If you feel more anchored to it, it's more likely you're an S type. That's the best way I can describe it based on my own experiences and the experiences of the N vs S types I know.

    Anchored might not be the best word. It might just be "aware". Hope this helps!
    I disagree. Mind you, Te should provide a grounding mechanism. In a well-rounded individual, Se might too. At least to some degree.
    The whole "disconnected" thing seems like some popular trope for N and/or some of the desired mysticism/idealization some have for it.
    Or, perhaps, it has other causes I'm unaware of. But I don't see it as a marker for N vs S, at all. We also tend to be drawn to people similar to us.
    Which in such a comparison (between friends) might yield confirmation-bias.

    Look at the ENTJ, quite renown for being a strategically minded leader.
    It'll be a difficult task to be either, without a decently firm grip on reality.
    The INTJ is also known to be strategic and inventive and if s/he pops out of that shell, also a quite capable leader.
    Again, all requiring a fairly good grasp on reality.

    ISTJs vs INTJ:

    INTJs tend to be more "freespirited", while ISTJ prefers tried and true methods.
    ISTJs rely heavily on how they experienced things in the past. INTJs to a much lesser extent.
    INTJs prefer a larger degree of freedom, while ISTJs prefer a more structured environment.
    ISTJs are often bothered by change and INTJs are more prone to initiating it.
    INTJs tend to be more independent then ISTJs.
    ISTJs have a great sense for details. INTJs might take shortcuts and go "good enough", or "I'll fine-tune it later". And it never happens. E.g. less detail-oriented.
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    @Eu_citzen

    Excellent points. I'm using the Jungian definition of N without a specifier of whether or not it's in the introverted or extraverted direction. And, again, examples of individuals who have been typed according to my standard of accuracy.

    Your examples are more true to MBTI. Good thinking.

    I do think that both characterisations of N are valid, though. It just matters which model the person is speaking of and since we're on the INTJ forum, it's most likely that the OP is speaking of MBTI and not Jungian typology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    @Eu_citzen

    Excellent points. I'm using the Jungian definition of N without a specifier of whether or not it's in the introverted or extraverted direction. And, again, examples of individuals who have been typed according to my standard of accuracy.

    Your examples are more true to MBTI. Good thinking.

    I do think that both characterisations of N are valid, though. It just matters which model the person is speaking of and since we're on the INTJ forum, it's most likely that the OP is speaking of MBTI and not Jungian typology.
    I wasn't specifying any specific interpretation of N as such. Speaking in generalities.
    And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway.
    And since the question was about INTJ vs ISTJ, extroverted intuition is irrelevant anyway.

    That said, yeah. The examples are simplified for the purposes of making it more easily available to more people.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    My dad is ISTJ, and I've had some INTJ friends. I guess they are both meticulous in how to get things done efficiently and right. My dad is usually a fairly relaxed and (dryly sarcastic) passive person, 9 times of 10 lets my mom do whatever she wants with house and etc. He'll take the helm on the gritty stuff like taxes and insurance and electronics because she no like electronics. I can see a similarity with INTJ that whenever you get dad on his "thing", cars or fixing things, he is all of a sudden very uptight and demanding about how you do it and HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT or get out of the way you're wasting time. THAT'S NOT EFFICIENT. lol. But he doesn't think deeply about concepts or anything. I share interests with him like music, and we can both talk a long yarn on that. Sometimes I will explain to him what that song from his childhood 40 years ago actually means ( lyrics, concept album stuff, leh DEEP DIVE ) and he will be like whoah. That's too deep for me. I just like the song


    Edit: I looked at what previous INTJs said. I can see what they mean.
    My dad is insistent on these physical things being done right. Some INTJs said they are a little looser on whether something is presented physically perfect so long as it's done.
    Some INTJs I have known were a bit slapdash at times with quality but got everything definitely finished and felt proud it was done. I have also known some INTJs that were very perfectionistic, like OCD, and would not accept any room for slapdash in their work. That was an interesting part of the topic to bring up
    Last edited by Kiwizoom; 07-12-2019 at 08:52 AM.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Key Differences

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefsweetteaa View Post
    Hello all,
    I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

    I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

    What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

    Thanks!

    Here are some key differences I found that may help:

    Details vs Big Picture
    ISTJ focus more on the details/specifics, while INTJs focus more on the big picture/the meaning behind the details.

    New vs Old
    ISTJs like to stick to established rules and processes, while INTJs may work to improve them/create new more efficient ones.

    Open Mindedness vs Stead-Fast Beliefs
    ISTJs tend to have stead-fast beliefs, while INTJs tend to be open-minded.
    Example: An INTJ may find themselves switching their core beliefs regarding politics or religion more often than others throughout their life, while an ISTJ will have been firmly planted and dedicated to the same political/religious beliefs nearly their entire life.

    Freedom vs Duty
    ISTJ feel a sense of duty and obligation, while INTJs do not.
    Example: ISTJs may struggle to say "no" to people and or rid themselves of toxic relationships, while INTJs tend to choose their freedom and peace of mind above all else/anyone else (i.e., they will resolutely cut toxic people out of their life, family members and all.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway.
    Then you'd know his definition of "N" is exactly how I put it. Imma call another Jungian, @Dissymetry into the thread to explain just to make certain Jung's definition of "N" is spelled out clearly just because it's important to me that it is here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    And since the question was about INTJ vs ISTJ, extroverted intuition is irrelevant anyway.
    Ne isn't a function according to Jung. The function is N. The attitude is Extraverted or Introverted. So, "Ne" isn't a function at all in Jungian typology; it's a type. The only difference between INTJ and ISTJ is the preference for N or S, so that's all that's relevant.

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    You've known me on this forum for years so I know you know that I wouldn't double down on something unless I sincerely thought it was important or even crucial to make certain that I'm being clear. I have noticed a drifting from Jung among INTJs on this forum in the past 2 years and it confuses me. While I don't really care which model one uses, it's important to me to make certain that false information about Jung and his definition of the functions is at least stood up for here in this forum.

    I don't expect anyone else to really listen to me or pay attention, but I've noticed that I keep being sorta shrugged off (not you, just a general attitude) in the INTJ forum when I use my definition of N ... which comes directly from Jung.

    Dissy, could you elaborate a bit on N outside of just your definition so that it's clear why I might come across as thinking it's "mystical"? I really don't think it is mystical, though, just to be clear.

    And seriously, sorry if this appears like I'm overreacting. It's just that it's important to me to not come off as a complete idiot here. I started feeling inhibited here once and didn't post regularly for over a year as a result.
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