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This is a discussion on The INTJ dream within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Negotiator If you mean socializing, I've benefited a lot from an ESTP teaching me his tricks. It ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator View Post
    If you mean socializing, I've benefited a lot from an ESTP teaching me his tricks. It came down to being more forceful for me.

    The ESTPs I met, they were excellent at 'playing the game' but many were tired of it. My ESTP best friend is a bit younger than me, so still excited, but the older ones tended to be more jaded.
    Socialising? That's a foreign concept to this recluse, so naturally I'd want a piece of that exotic banquet. I would almost certainly partake in a gluttonous feast given the opportunity. Also, I'm interested in presenting and promoting myself more confidently. I'm the self-deprecating, can't-take-a-compliment type, & that's an old habit that's hard to 'unlearn'. Awkward at the best of times, even if I have limitless confidence internally. Just the worst.

    I don't have the motivation or desire to even 'play the game' in the first place, & I've isolated myself with such great success I'm never going to end up such situations, ever. Smart, but tragic

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    i've been really busy with my real, present life for the past couple of years, so i don't really have any dreams. i'm waiting to see what kind of shape my post-all-this life is going to have, i guess. and then something will start to seep up. i tend to separate my escape fantasies from the things i call my 'real' dreams. the first kind comes from a position of constricted choices, where the answer to 'what do you really want' is sort of duh, obvious. it's about making something stop. the other kind is the opposite, and right now i'm just in this equilibrium phase where there's nothing i need to make stop anymore, and i'm really happy with that. on the other hand, there's also something i'm sad as hell about not having anymore, and there's no solution to that. so i'm in a middle-ground situation. there's no better answer than what i'm already doing, to the thing that i'd like to fix. and there's no real anything else that i can think of i want, in this interim.

    for now.

    i do want to see more of my sister, so that's one thing. i'd love to be able to just spend let's-go-do-this time with her, and have enough scope for the thises to be all kinds of things. actually, most of my current daydreams seem to be of the lets-go-do kind, and i love the idea of having company that enjoys it at least as much, for whatever it is. but i'm not picky about it being the same person the entire time.

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    Just sing, mon ami, accompany me.




    "I was a quiet, shy kid that hated talking. I hated communicating with people, ícause I didnít think I was very good and it is what I do now, through music. Music has given me the power, the plug, something.
    Iím not the most social guy youíll meet. I do like my space. I do like my privacy. Iím from a little different school. Itís not like, ĎLetís all get in a big room and jam.í I like my peace and quiet here. That allows me to make my noise and create by myself and then, when the band gets together, we take it to another level.

    Authority pisses me off. I think everyone should be able to drink and get loud whenever they want.Ē

    --James Hetfield




    Last edited by contradictionary; 08-23-2019 at 01:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinitus View Post
    Socialising? That's a foreign concept to this recluse, so naturally I'd want a piece of that exotic banquet. I would almost certainly partake in a gluttonous feast given the opportunity. Also, I'm interested in presenting and promoting myself more confidently. I'm the self-deprecating, can't-take-a-compliment type, & that's an old habit that's hard to 'unlearn'. Awkward at the best of times, even if I have limitless confidence internally. Just the worst.

    I don't have the motivation or desire to even 'play the game' in the first place, & I've isolated myself with such great success I'm never going to end up such situations, ever. Smart, but tragic
    I've benetited a lot from books like Power Presentation and Pre-suasion. A lot of communication actually comes down to signaling where you're going with something.

    Some useful things ESTP taught me are to have opening statements and saying what you want to set the scene. Timing is another one. And then finding things you agree on. It sounds simple but there are a lot of tactics here you can use.

    My own personality is to exaggerate-joke around it, which is more personal style. It's not like you need to hide who you are - just use it to amplify what you want and need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stathamspeacoat View Post
    A nice 1,800-2,200ish sf house with a lot of space between neighbors but a populated town/small city within 30 minutes. Roomy, modern kitchen, a library with one of those rolling ladders, comfy movie watching setup, lots of windows. Water view (probably a lake). Catio. Guest area is either a basement or detached from the main house.
    Yes! This resonates with me. A place to think and clear my mind of little distractions. To take moments everyday in fresh air where I hear nothing but the sounds of nature and see nothing but trees, mountains, and water. A place not too far from civilization-- perhaps near a smallish town with nice restaurants. Self-employment would be a must. I currently design/develop enterprise software for a living and would probably continue doing that-- a field that satisfies my creative and analytical instincts. When not working, I would hike miles of trails and resume playing the piano.
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    I've thought up many 'dreams' that sound pretty good - practical, natural, healthy dreams. I suspect they are fictitious in terms of actually being true. That's sort of been the rub. Answering honestly is unpleasant, but I'm also getting impatient with the pretense of striving for a comfortable life.

    It's easy to see much of it as a consequence of affluent, Western culture... even when you have no money. Walk into a store, and you are confronted with senseless bounty. There is a betrayal so habituated into the Western psyche as to be almost invisible until you see that fucking $300 bottle of imported Malbec at the corner grocery, showcased in a tall glass cage alongside ambling old women in compression socks whom line their carts with Diet Coke on sale for 99 cents a pop.

    Somewhere around 3 years old I felt a deep sense that something was wrong with the world I live in, and I didn't actually want to be a part of it. Everything after that has either been a desperate nightmare, consoled through escapism or some form of denial about what I can actually be or do; always wondering what is actually real, what is behind the veil, what it is that is so disturbing.

    Once I thought my greatest dream was to be forever in transition - riding a train, living in the street, wandering all sorts of landscapes, being between jobs, between lovers, between principles. To soak up everything like a sponge and never wring out. To dissolve into the sky or the sea. To be a small, flying thing that could go wherever it pleased and never be noticed. To walk out into the night whenever the mood struck, with no thought of where I'd be going or ever returning from where I came.

    Something like that.
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    To die a quick painless death and be done with this world


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