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This is a discussion on INTJ are more common in this age of rapid scientific and technological development within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; The fields of science and technology are developing very rapidly, and INTJ pioneers are major driving factors. It is very ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    INTJ are more common in this age of rapid scientific and technological development

    The fields of science and technology are developing very rapidly, and INTJ pioneers are major driving factors. It is very naive to trust "statistics" and claim INTJ are one of the rarest types. It is more believable for INTJ people to be one of the most common personality types in the population. This applies to the world, not just the United States. Even though variations in the INTJ personality type make identifying another INTJ harder (if yourself is an INTJ), one INTJ is still more similar to another INTJ, than a person of a different personality type.

    What are your thoughts or opinions? Thank you.
    Last edited by Sparky; 12-20-2013 at 05:01 PM.



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    INTJ - The Scientists

    From the beggining, how can you even know the statistics of each type ?
    Personality quizes? most people don't even take them and many others get the wrong type.
    Also, in order to know what type is someone, you need to know him on deep level.
    knowing personality statistics is impossible in my opinion.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by SomethingNew View Post
    From the beggining, how can you even know the statistics of each type ?
    Personality quizes? most people don't even take them and many others get the wrong type.
    Also, in order to know what type is someone, you need to know him on deep level.
    knowing personality statistics is impossible in my opinion.
    Hi, yes, personality surveys are one part in the process of self-discovery, and not the final judgment on someone's personality. The reliability of statistics based on personality surveys is questionable.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Haha.

    Pioneers like apple and facebook, fixated on the social cool aspects? How technically minded rather than superficial trend aware, right? And that is just the top. Lets look at the levels beneath.

    The majority of the lower and middle bands of the current civilized world don't run on merit. That is just simplistic stuff schools and parents sell to young people.

    It runs on social connections, economic means, being a desirable cog in another' system without rocking the boat too much, selling a feel good moral high ground to support whatever product or service you are flogging, and confidence in reputation rather than competence, which are not the same thing.

    Ergo wouldn't INTJs be almost extinct in this day and age?

    This isn't the age of reason. This is the age where reason is whored out, stripped of its innate dignity by society and demonized as inhuman and cruel. Speak truth and reason too openly and you will be demonized and shunned.

    For example...

    "You are just trying to make yourself look good by sounding intelligent and making others feel bad."

    As if most people could tell the difference between if this was the case or if it was not.

    No, but you have embraced suspicions and the ad hominem fallacy to attack others in the name of the sake of others after your bruised ego realized you aren't as intelligent as you believed you were as when intelligent conversation was scarcer.

    It really comes down to how much you are liked if the other party is unfamiliar with what you are saying. Less merit, more tact involved in getting ahead unless you run with a sharper crowd who can quickly understand what is being described and are in pursuit of the truth.

    How much merit do you need? Adequacy for the task rather than an exception amount for meeting contingency challenges head on, if you are likable person? How... comfortable in the sort term.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I have to strongly disagree with this notion. I would agree that it's becoming more cool and desirable to be an INTJ, but I wouldn't agree that as a result there are more INTJ's.

    I think it is likely more people will try to push themselves towards it, or try to claim they are, but I honestly think it is a pretty strong personality type and therefore more difficult to become unless you are basically born that way. I have been an INTJ from birth, and believe me, parents hate INTJ children. They want their little Johnny to be happy, and have an imagination, and just enjoy life. The parents get none of these things from their child and hate it. They will take many measures in attempt to "fix" the child. I was known as the ultimate killjoy as a child, and everyone hated having me around. I couldn't be impressed, and I couldn't be made happy with the things that typically give children great joy (Disney land, vacations, family get togethers, etc).

    I've not mastered personality types, and I'm no psychology major, but it seems apparent to me that the mix of personality traits required to be of the INTJ personality would be difficult to acquire out of sheer will power. For example, I doubt someone who is into feelings could just decide one day they want to abandon their feelings. Emotional types such as this can even fool themselves into believing they have abandon their feelings, but the truth is they haven't because they can't. They will likely realize that on their own eventually (especially in the face of other rather "abrasive" INTJ types - they would likely be very uncomfortable in those circumstances).

    You also have to remember that the self awareness that comes from this is the reason we abandon our feelings in the first place. Lets say we were going to purchase a house. If we are to want to know the true outcome of which house is better, we have to be completely removed from the equation. The only way to do that is to be able to fully extinguish your feelings. If not, either you will over compensate and say the house you don't want to be better is better, or you will under compensate and say the house that you want to be better is the better choice. The end result would ultimately be your feelings will dictate the choice. INTJ's prefer that they choose the better option based on factual data alone. This is of the highest importance because a house is a huge decision and financial investment. Also, you will have to be dealing with this decision for many years to come.

    With an example like a house, it seems very obvious that you would want to remove yourself and look only at the facts. People who are truly interested in just the facts do this in all areas of life though. Even something as simple as which desk lamp to purchase, to what outfit to wear. They are above all practical. I see no other personality types which place the same amount of emphasis on being unbiased in pursuit of true wisdom.

    Eh, those are just my off-the-cuff unfounded opinions on the matter [what I suspect is also what the OP was]. I certainly don't speak for everyone, nor do I speak on the basis of actual data so take what I've said with a grain of salt.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Since you are looking for comments/opinions, I am going comment with some things that crossed my mind as I read your post:


    --I completely agree with you about statistics. Statistics can easily be manipulated to support whatever views the person wishes to make. Many people are not aware of this fact and take them for granted, but one must always question them and see how and where they are getting their numbers, how it is presented, and why it leads them to state whatever conclusions as they do. MBTI-related statistics are questionable at best.

    --There are many different branches of science and technology and some are progressing more rapidly than others. That said, "progressing rapidly" is not necessarily synonymous with "becoming a majority".

    --You don't need many "pioneers" to start a shift in dynamics. Even if INTJs were major driving forces, this is not indicative of whether or not there are more or less of the type around. Besides, there are many types working together to cause leaps of development.

    --I can't say for certain about other regions, but where I am in the United States, most people I randomly come across get really fascinated whenever they find out that I am a research technician (mostly doing projects in molecular biology, genetics, & neuropharmacology). To them, my field seems foreign. This again is related to the fact that even though, science (and technology) is becoming rapidly more advanced, it cannot be directly assumed that the numbers are going up everywhere for percentage of people involved with it.

    Then again, you must take this with a grain of salt. Besides those people that happen to approach me when I'm out-and-about, I do not go out of my way to interact with anyone. Thus my "majority" certainly is not from a wide range of interactions. (Statistics!)

    --I agree that different people within the same personality type have both similarities and differences. Trends exist, but they are just that--trends. This goes for any type though. (Not to mention, those people that are mistyped as they get to know themselves or how they interpret the questions.) This is not specific to INTJs with regards to not always recognizing others sharing the same type.

    All in all, I think what you are really getting at with your post is a question of environmental influence perhaps.

    "If INTJs are well-represented in the science/technology developmental fields and science and technology are growing fields, then there must be a lot more INTJs around than we imagine?"

    It is an interesting way to view it if that is indeed your underlying viewpoint/question. However, even if we were to assume it was completely correct and not consider the other factors involved, I don't believe that people who influence the innovations in these fields are the majority in population. I'd say people-oriented fields are in the majority, thus types well-represented in those fields are by default the most common.
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    I also disagree.

    I think @Sparky has a horrible and disgusting habit of making such huge broad generalizations and making hypotheses based on them. @Sparky 's Ni is severely uncalibrated.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Guu View Post
    I think @Sparky has a horrible and disgusting habit of making such huge broad generalizations and making hypotheses based on them. @Sparky's Ni is severely uncalibrated.
    Reminds me of Ti use going the direction of sometimes mistakenly looking for great truths flowing out from an overly limited set of overly simplistic axioms.

    I'm tempted to accept learning pains if it is temporary, but on second thoughts I don't. One can have them, but I won't accept it for a myriad of things and a myriad of uses.

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    I disagree also. INTJs don't just pop out of the woodwork when there is a needs basis. They aren't all technologically advanced and there are a fair amount of mistypes.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Those are some bold statements to make without providing any evidence to back your theory. I'm not even entirely sure where you're drawing this conclusion from. It looks like you're assuming that technological advancement creates INTJs on, as @bethdeth said, a needs basis. Unless we're actually manufactured machines, that isn't how it works.

    Note: On second thought, that could be where this Made in USA engraving on my foot came from.
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