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This is a discussion on Science and you within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; In terms of Scientific discoveries: Are you a fan of Science? What scientific findings appeal to you most? Who is ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Science and you

    In terms of Scientific discoveries:

    Are you a fan of Science?

    What scientific findings appeal to you most?

    Who is your favourite scientist?



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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Are you a fan of Science?
    Just following wherever my curiousity leads to.

    What scientific findings appeal to you most?
    Almost all that I use on daily basis,is finding in pure science and maths is included?

    Who is your favourite scientist?
    Nikola Tesla,Einstein,Bohr,Dalton.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Are you a physicist Lawliet?

    Yes pure science and maths are incorporated into the discussion.

    Ah Einstein - brilliant INTP
    Tesla - brilliant INTJ

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    A fan of science... haha what an odd way of putting it.

    I suppose I am, since I'm a physics major primarily. I'm far more skeptical of it than your average NT, though.

    Above all else, I tend to derive the most enjoyment from it when it reflects life elsewhere. In an E&M physics class we may learn to write our own equations for electric fields caused by different shapes with charge distributions... but then plugging in the limit for "when you get far away" watching as Coulomb's Law pops out (because everything looks like a point charge from far away). I'll carry that concept into other ideas, most often religion, because everything looks the same if you study it from a distance. You can't see any individuality studying ideas at a distance.

    Or circuits and batteries in parallel with a single resistor... how they match my emotional reaction to things so well. Someone once told me that they love cities because there's so much stuff to do. These are the batteries, hooked in parallel into a basic circuit. I am the resistor, tacked onto the end. The voltage of the batteries is like the intensity of the stimulus in the city. You can add all the batteries you want... but 150 mediocre "stuff to do" lined up in a row won't actually cause any more voltage on the resistor. I generally need something more powerful to get much of a reaction from me, rather than more of the same watery stimuli of the world.


    So things like that are the reasons I love science. I have a couple more... but you get the idea. It's not science by itself that's interesting, but it becomes interesting when it starts relating to everything else.

    mm... favorite scientist has to be Feynman, I think. All the stories I've heard about that guy were hysterical, and the things I've read by him (not many) have been very well thought out.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by NephilimAzrael View Post
    Are you a physicist Lawliet?

    Yes pure science and maths are incorporated into the discussion.

    Ah Einstein - brilliant INTP
    Tesla - brilliant INTJ
    I'm sitting for an exam in few weeks,supposedly one of the toughest university entrance exam,ranked as #6 in the world as rumored,#1 being Japan's university entrance exam.But I'm planning to take chemical engineering in university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptonia View Post
    Above all else, I tend to derive the most enjoyment from it when it reflects life elsewhere.

    Or circuits and batteries in parallel with a single resistor... how they match my emotional reaction to things so well. Someone once told me that they love cities because there's so much stuff to do. These are the batteries, hooked in parallel into a basic circuit. I am the resistor, tacked onto the end. The voltage of the batteries is like the intensity of the stimulus in the city. You can add all the batteries you want... but 150 mediocre "stuff to do" lined up in a row won't actually cause any more voltage on the resistor. I generally need something more powerful to get much of a reaction from me, rather than more of the same watery stimuli of the world.
    I've found computer terminology to be useful in describing aspects of the brain and consciousness. Clearly, computer analogies don't work for all of my thought processes, but it works for some. What's really fun is using mythological analogies for the Internet and its symbiotic members. Galatea, Mirror of Erised, Narcissus' lake, etc. (Okay, so Mirror of Erised isn't mythology.)

    I do love sciences, mostly physics, biology, computers, networks, economics, psychology, and math.

    Favorite scientist goes to Nikola Tesla.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I really can't wait to learn more about computers... I think I'm going into computational physics, so I have to learn a whole lot of programming to model real-world systems with. Right now I don't know hardly anything about them... but I've never had a problem getting a computer to do what I wanted it to, so I think we'll get along alright.

    I'll be looking out for psychology at every turn though, now that you've mentioned it.

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    What really gets me are computational linguistics and computational proofs. I need to learn more about automated theorem proving. How do you get a computer to generate a mathematical proof? As a math major, I smugly felt safe from the threat of robots doing my job, so wtf?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    that's ridiculous... I was wondering if that were possible, but I didn't know enough programming to think to write one myself. I took propositional and predicate logic last spring, though, and the proofs really did get to be mechanical after about a month or so... but I wasn't sure if it was mechanical enough to program.

    I can't even imagine one doing math proofs, though. Maybe it's just because I'm taking my first math theory course this year, but it's much more open-ended trying to prove things than the logic class was. I can imagine it doing some things real well (counting how many numbers between 1 and 999999, including leading zeros, have k distinct digits, for instance, was one of our homework problems that could have been done easily with a program)... but, to me, it looks like there's too much to math to program to come up with proofs for a lot of these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptonia View Post
    that's ridiculous... I was wondering if that were possible, but I didn't know enough programming to think to write one myself. I took propositional and predicate logic last spring, though, and the proofs really did get to be mechanical after about a month or so... but I wasn't sure if it was mechanical enough to program.

    I can't even imagine one doing math proofs, though. Maybe it's just because I'm taking my first math theory course this year, but it's much more open-ended trying to prove things than the logic class was. I can imagine it doing some things real well (counting how many numbers between 1 and 999999, including leading zeros, have k distinct digits, for instance, was one of our homework problems that could have been done easily with a program)... but, to me, it looks like there's too much to math to program to come up with proofs for a lot of these things.
    Apparently, there are even some competitions for those sorts of programmers. I'd have to find out exactly what kind of proofs, though. It seems that what's left is the conception of theory. I'm currently studying group theory, which I highly doubt computers could conceive of, at least at this point, regardless of the ability to prove theorems in it. I'll try to find some links.

    Oh, and there are now computer Go programs that can defeat a fairly decent human Go player. And the insurrection begins...


     
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