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This is a discussion on The (stream of conscious?) venting thread for INTJ. within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Simon And Garfunkel I Am A Rock A winter's day In a deep and dark December; I am alone, Gazing ...

  1. #10021
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Simon And Garfunkel I Am A Rock




    A winter's day
    In a deep and dark December;
    I am alone,
    Gazing from my window to the streets below
    On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
    I am a rock,
    I am an island.

    I've built walls,
    A fortress deep and mighty,
    That none may penetrate.
    I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
    It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
    I am a rock,
    I am an island.

    Don't talk of love,
    But I've heard the words before;
    It's sleeping in my memory.
    I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
    If I never loved I never would have cried.
    I am a rock,
    I am an island.

    I have my books
    And my poetry to protect me;
    I am shielded in my armor,
    Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
    I touch no one and no one touches me.
    I am a rock,
    I am an island.

    And a rock feels no pain;
    And an island never cries.
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  2. #10022

    Quote Originally Posted by Sela View Post
    Really? Hmm. I'm of the opinion that all the laws in the universe won't prevent criminals from getting their paws on guns if they want them bad enough ... so therefore as a law-abiding citizen I should have the right to defend what's mine. Having said that I would never draw down unless I was prepared to use it.
    My attitude towards gun ownership is that it's kind of sad if you live in a country where you actually need to carry a lethal weapon to protect yourself with. Sure, it would be great if that wasn't the case, but it is in some countries - most countries. People just are not mature enough as a species. If it works in @Blue Ocean 's country, then that's awesome - I wish I could live there. I don't think it'd work in America, but only because the majority of the population over here is just one step up from caveman savages. Like genetic super monkeys with 300 years of fancy toys, really.

    Actually, I take that back. A genetic super monkey would probably be smarter, and better at everything.

  3. #10023
    INTJ - The Scientists

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  4. #10024
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey Fritz View Post
    If I was to guess I would have guessed you were 9w1 by intuition cause you just seem like one, lol. Descriptive for the win. *arm pump*

    I just identify with your brainwave better than most so I would say you are a 9w1 too.
    Intuition for the win, really. What is there to describe? I'm sure I'm a 9w1, but not from closely reading the descriptions or anything. I watched a couple of videos about 9s, but that didn't really cover everything. It just fits perfectly with who I was in the past. And I'm not quite sure what the it in this case is, as all I'm going off of here is a hazy conception.

    Sorry about the brainwave generator causing interference, I thought I had switched that thing off. XD

  5. #10025
    INTJ - The Scientists

    @Blue Ocean - I pictured the person living your song standing on the snowy street looking up at the window of the person living my song
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  6. #10026

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    My attitude towards gun ownership is that it's kind of sad if you live in a country where you actually need to carry a lethal weapon to protect yourself with. Sure, it would be great if that wasn't the case, but it is in some countries - most countries. People just are not mature enough as a species. If it works in @Blue Ocean 's country, then that's awesome - I wish I could live there. I don't think it'd work in America, but only because the majority of the population over here is just one step up from caveman savages. Like genetic super monkeys with 300 years of fancy toys, really.

    Actually, I take that back. A genetic super monkey would probably be smarter, and better at everything.
    I remember just a few weeks ago in microecon the class was discussing New Years and someone mentioned how it was especially rowdy on x street and how the gun shots could be heard clear across town. The three Australian exchange students were actually shocked, not only because of the gun laws in the states but also at how irresponsible people can be, even asking if we were joking. Their expressions were something to see.

    Supposedly, it's also uncommon where they're from to see robberies in broad daylight, yet police were chasing some guy in front of the house they're renting. Here, it's an everyday thing we take for granted.

    But I agree that our society just isn't mature or well informed enough to handle guns. I'm reminded of this everytime I skim through channels and come across certain music videos.
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  7. #10027

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleptic View Post
    Heh, that's the conclusion I came to about myself. Many thanks to @Abraxas for turning me onto this stuff. Now if I can just do something with it (see signature). For instance, so easy to read this, so hard to force myself to actually do:
    I find it helps to break it down into really easy to remember 'red flags' and warning signs. If you just force yourself to think about it every 30 minutes it will remain in your brain. Use a timer. Look up memorization techniques, there have been studies done to show that there are effective methods for forcing yourself to build habits and memorize information.

    I actually can't stop thinking about it. This always happens in fact, once I've become exposed to a new symbol system which reliably models reality in any way, I delve into it trying to find all the potential applications for it. Right now I'm seeing all the ways in which I can apply the enneagram even outside of personality theory - honestly, I'm even more attracted to the spiritual aspect of it. I'm somewhat of a mystical thinker, so I appreciate 'occultish' stuff like this. I'm drawn to this kind of ancient metaphysical knowledge, like alchemy, and astrology, and numerology, and the gnostic scriptures of Nag Hammadi.

    Although I'm not religious, I do believe that there's far more to the universe that we have yet to discover, and I think that the ancient spiritual world views hold the keys to deeper insight into contemporary scientific questions and philosophical problems - because anything they could figure out without machines and technology back then, which still holds true today, probably has something hidden even deeper within it that only the truly discerning can unlock with their intuition and then find a new application for. There's just so much inspiration in it, and while I agree that the language they used may be mostly out of date, the concepts themselves often make a lot of sense when you remove them from their contextual limitations. Since truth only exists within context, if I create a contemporary context out of an ancient spiritual model, it becomes practical in my daily life as a normative world view through which I can synthesize the same information in a new (hopefully) more productive way.

    I guess it's not that different from a formal religion, except that my world view is not static and unchanging, dictated by dogma and creed. It is a fluid thing, always changing, often in fundamental ways that change me as a person down to the deepest level. I've mentioned it before, but before I came into MBTI and theoretical psychology, I spent years studying various occult systems, and I really strongly identify with some of the concepts within Chaos Magick.


  8. #10028
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by lolthevoidlol View Post
    @Blue Ocean - I pictured the person living your song standing on the snowy street looking up at the window of the person living my song
    Aww. I relate to that song, because I often feel like that guy. But yeah, they seemed to intertwine nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by WamphyriThrall View Post
    I remember just a few weeks ago in microecon the class was discussing New Years and someone mentioned how it was especially rowdy on x street and how the gun shots could be heard clear across town. The three Australian exchange students were actually shocked, not only because of the gun laws in the states but also at how irresponsible people can be, even asking if we were joking. Their expressions were something to see.
    I'd be somewhat shocked too, but from my experiences, Australia is far tougher with law enforcement of guns etc than the UK, so I imagine they'd be more shocked.
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  9. #10029
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ocean View Post
    So you wouldn't visit me if you were in England? :(
    I would, but I'd also be visiting other places, as well, and probably trying to drag you along - which would be much easier if I was a giant, but perhaps less necessary.
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  10. #10030
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    My attitude towards gun ownership is that it's kind of sad if you live in a country where you actually need to carry a lethal weapon to protect yourself with. Sure, it would be great if that wasn't the case, but it is in some countries - most countries. People just are not mature enough as a species. If it works in @Blue Ocean 's country, then that's awesome - I wish I could live there. I don't think it'd work in America, but only because the majority of the population over here is just one step up from caveman savages. Like genetic super monkeys with 300 years of fancy toys, really.

    Actually, I take that back. A genetic super monkey would probably be smarter, and better at everything.
    Exactly one half of the world population has less than average IQ.
    Remember that.

    Quote Originally Posted by WamphyriThrall View Post
    I remember just a few weeks ago in microecon the class was discussing New Years and someone mentioned how it was especially rowdy on x street and how the gun shots could be heard clear across town. The three Australian exchange students were actually shocked, not only because of the gun laws in the states but also at how irresponsible people can be, even asking if we were joking. Their expressions were something to see.

    Supposedly, it's also uncommon where they're from to see robberies in broad daylight, yet police were chasing some guy in front of the house they're renting. Here, it's an everyday thing we take for granted.

    But I agree that our society just isn't mature or well informed enough to handle guns. I'm reminded of this everytime I skim through channels and come across certain music videos.
    Many Americans would feel the same way exposed to larger population centers.



    Oregon is one of the laxest gun control states.
    For example: Private sales are completely legal. The seller is liable for a federal crime should the buyer not be legally allowed to own a gun, but otherwise anyone can give or sell a gun to anyone else without any member of government knowing.

    2004 in Oregon, out of a population of 3,591,363 only 90 people were killed by guns. 1.34 Gun related homicides per 100,000 people. I don't know if you guys are very good with numbers, but that is a very small number. There would be 1000 clinical geniuses born per one idiot with a gun.

    Part of that is because of the number of gun owners.
    (All statistics on that count are bogus, very very few gun owners would ever state on a census form that they are, as there is a persistent fear of the government ever compiling a list of gun owners which permeates pretty much the entirety of the states.
    As an Oregonian I can tell you a HELLOVA lot of people have or have access to guns here.
    Pretty much everyone knows at least one of "that one guy" with a bunker full of guns and ammo. Yet some stats read only %6 of Oregonian households own guns: complete BULL.)

    As a result any idiot with a gun has a inborn fear of ever using it, while in a high control state they worry mainly about the police, in Oregon the police are the least likely to shoot someone with a gun.
    If you know you can pull off a robbery in broad daylight as long as you get out before the police arrive, sure lets just be quick about it.
    If you know that the store clerk is pretty much guaranteed to have a gun, and 50/50 anyone else in the store could have one too, you don't just think twice, you change your mind.


    In states like Oregon criminals actually fear the citizens, in cities like New York they see them as helpless cattle, as long as they get out before the cops arrive.

    But even in Oregon, with the laws as lax as they are, in the higher population areas, where crime rates are higher, there is still this sense of "urban safety" leaving more people not buying guns because they feel safer, even though statistically they are not. Which leads again to higher crime rates through complacency. As well as overworked police departments leading to higher sense of anonymity among criminals.


    But there are a nearly infinite number of issues with overpopulation of small areas. The planet is far from overpopulated, its our inherent need for "civilization" which drives us to vastly over extend the resources of a given area, including even the resource of safety in numbers itself.


    All that said I guarantee I sleep Reeeeaaal good with an AR15 a few feet away.
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