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This is a discussion on The (stream of conscious?) venting thread for INTJ. within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by SL4289 Just a little rant. I don't normally feel comfortable ranting to... well, anyone, but I'll give ...

  1. #531
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by SL4289 View Post
    Just a little rant. I don't normally feel comfortable ranting to... well, anyone, but I'll give it a try.

    I started working for the firm I currently work for during my first year of college. Since then I've become a full time employee in charge of quite a few clients. At first I was treated like a sub-employee and I expected it. I was paid less, I got little respect and I only worked roughly 30 hours a week. Now I work a little less than 50 hours/week on average and out perform everyone else in my department. The troubled clients, those with major problems, are routinely re-assigned to me because I have a way of digging them out of their hole and making them happy. I'm currently single-handedly building a segment of the company that stands to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for the company. This project was taken away from an older fellow employee who upset the clients because she obviously couldn't handle it and given to me because I had a very tangential tie to the project several months ago.

    Now, for my problem. I'm STILL TREATED AS THE COLLEGE KID WORKING PART TIME! That's right. I still get asked to take out the recycling BY THE SECRETARIES! I still get little or no acknowledgment of my contributions to the business. Worst of all, I still get paid as a part time 18 yr old employee. You know how much of a raise I'll probably get for building a new revenue stream for the firm? That's right, nothing. Not one red cent. You know how much the new guy makes? The same as I do. He just started and he's making what I make after working there for four years. The difference; he's in his thirties and applied for the job without the college-kid stigmatism.

    Part of this belongs on the "What pisses off INTJ's" forum, but it supports my opinion and probably furthers the proof of my INTJ-ness. The problem is salaries at the firm are based on seniority, not performance. What's this mean? It means that, although I'm far more capable and productive than the woman who the project was taken away from because she couldn't handle it, I still get paid roughly half what she does because she has been at the firm for far longer than I. From what I've seen, this pay scheme only encourages a survival mentality (keep up the charade that I know what I'm doing long enough and I'll be getting the big bucks with the power to shuck all real work to underlings). It definitely doesn't foster productivity and hard work.

    Anyway, I don't really expect many people to read or care about all that, I just had to put it somewhere so I knew my thoughts on the matter weren't only inside my head.
    I can definitely relate to this. I think all INTJs go through something similar. I eventually started playing hardball, meaning you say exactly what you wrote here about what you are doing that others can't, but you say it to a headhunter equivilent, who then says exactly the same thing to another similar company that doesn't have one of you. Then you play extreme hardball negotiating salaries, easy to do because you know EXACTLY what you are worth. I've never been able to get where I wanted without job hopping, but I also worked in very big cities where there are always competing companies to play off of. My favorite thing to say to the secretary type is, "Oh, I wish I could help but (the boss) asked me to take over the account from (new client) and I'm just so swamped. Any other time, honestly." But I will confess that now that I am older, I kind of miss those days of being treated like I am just a kid.

    My vent is that last year my firm lowered their rates to clients so much that I lost a thousand a month for the same work. Then work slowed down so much that I can't get 40 hours a week anymore and I have to work for three or four firms just to get even 3/4 work, and I can't stand having to learn an entire new set of procedures for the administrative part of my job, plus having to deal with more than one firm owner is way too stressful. The worst part is I am finally realizing this isn't temporary, and I am going to have to give up a lot of the fun things in life that I am used to. My most recent strategy is since I just got a call from a firm I solicited a few months ago offering me full-time work but that is too far away from my house, I will use them as a leveraging tool to get the firm I work part-time for to take me on full-time by telling them I got another offer but would rather work for them hoping this will push them into letting me do all their work. I hate having to play games. I would rather just work. Life used to be very easy. This is depressing.
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  2. #532
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by calliope View Post
    I can definitely relate to this. I think all INTJs go through something similar. I eventually started playing hardball, meaning you say exactly what you wrote here about what you are doing that others can't, but you say it to a headhunter equivilent, who then says exactly the same thing to another similar company that doesn't have one of you. Then you play extreme hardball negotiating salaries, easy to do because you know EXACTLY what you are worth. I've never been able to get where I wanted without job hopping, but I also worked in very big cities where there are always competing companies to play off of. My favorite thing to say to the secretary type is, "Oh, I wish I could help but (the boss) asked me to take over the account from (new client) and I'm just so swamped. Any other time, honestly." But I will confess that now that I am older, I kind of miss those days of being treated like I am just a kid.

    My vent is that last year my firm lowered their rates to clients so much that I lost a thousand a month for the same work. Then work slowed down so much that I can't get 40 hours a week anymore and I have to work for three or four firms just to get even 3/4 work, and I can't stand having to learn an entire new set of procedures for the administrative part of my job, plus having to deal with more than one firm owner is way too stressful. The worst part is I am finally realizing this isn't temporary, and I am going to have to give up a lot of the fun things in life that I am used to. My most recent strategy is since I just got a call from a firm I solicited a few months ago offering me full-time work but that is too far away from my house, I will use them as a leveraging tool to get the firm I work part-time for to take me on full-time by telling them I got another offer but would rather work for them hoping this will push them into letting me do all their work. I hate having to play games. I would rather just work. Life used to be very easy. This is depressing.
    You wanna switch? ;) You get steady work and to be treated like a kid and I get... never mind. Thanks for the advice. I actually contacted an "Executive Search Firm" in a larger city near where I live. I'm not sure how to get a "Head hunter"'s attention or if I even qualify as a head worthy of hunting. Anyway, I'm meeting with said firm and have been assured they can do something for me. Like you, I'd rather keep my current job, but a little leverage won't hurt when I negotiate. Plus, I'll be less pressured during talks because I'll have other options.

    As for the secretary situation... I was slightly off my rocker after hearing bad news the other day. One of them asked if I could take the bag out of the shredder. Before I'd really thought, I blurted out "Sure, and what part of MY job are YOU going to do today?" I'm on a slightly less friendly level with the secretary pool, but I also don't get asked to do part-time, teenager employee stuff anymore either. At least, not yet.

  3. #533
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceyRose View Post
    That is fantastic news! The world can never have enough good uncles. :-)
    Uncle since I was 9 years old. Now an uncle 8 times over and a great uncle twice. And yes, all at the age of 41. No, I am not from a Mormon family. Just the youngest of 5.
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  4. #534
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat in Japan View Post
    Uncle since I was 9 years old. Now an uncle 8 times over and a great uncle twice. And yes, all at the age of 41. No, I am not from a Mormon family. Just the youngest of 5.
    Given your love for children and the devotion you've demonstrated for your own, I bet you're a fantastic uncle. You're nieces and nephews are lucky to have such a caring role model in their lives.
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  5. #535
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceyRose View Post
    Given your love for children and the devotion you've demonstrated for your own, I bet you're a fantastic uncle. You're nieces and nephews are lucky to have such a caring role model in their lives.
    11/16's vote was pretty decisive, but I guess he can be co-best uncle in the world.
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  6. #536
    INTJ - The Scientists

    It's that time of year again. I work at a smallish (growing larger thanks to yours truly) firm and the partners still like to think everyone knows/likes each other enough to have thanksgiving dinner as if we were a family. Only, we're not. I usually sit by myself at the smaller tables off to the side and pray to God I don't get asked personal questions. I don't really talk to anyone, I don't really eat, I just sit there wondering when it would be okay for me to get up and return to my desk. One year, I didn't leave my desk. The questions that followed were enough to coerce me to at least attend.

    I boughtt two gallons of potato salad and a day-old caramel cake. Someone had arbitrarily and without my consent signed me up to bring stuff. I had only written "Da Funk" and "Da Noise" under my name for what I'd bring on the signup sheet.

  7. #537
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Reverse Psychology doesn't work

    At first I thought it must be upside down day because everything this iNFJ says is a contradiction to their actions ...then it hit me, they're trying to pull reverse psychology on me? At first I was angry and then I thought well maybe this INFJ doesn't see it that way. Different from passive aggressive which I can sniff out easily.

    Have you guys ever found other types trying to use reverse psychology on you? What is that? my immediate instinct is to outwit but i cant even tell what it is they really want.

  8. #538
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by starrynightvm View Post
    At first I thought it must be upside down day because everything this iNFJ says is a contradiction to their actions ...then it hit me, they're trying to pull reverse psychology on me? At first I was angry and then I thought well maybe this INFJ doesn't see it that way. Different from passive aggressive which I can sniff out easily.

    Have you guys ever found other types trying to use reverse psychology on you? What is that? my immediate instinct is to outwit but i cant even tell what it is they really want.
    Yes. If I don't immediately point it out as reverse psychology, I feel obligated to 'outwit' as you put it. I find that when I do point it out, what they really want is revealed and I can give a more direct, meaningful response. They may deny it, get angry that I've simplified the whole thing or be relieved that they don't have to be "sneaky" about it.

    Also, I've got a date with Trooper lady tonight. We're going to a gun range and then out for drinks (isn't that freakin' awesome?). I suggested the other way around would be more fun, but she said she'd have to arrest me that way.

    Problem: I don't drink: at all. I detest the thought of losing one ounce of my brain power and control to alcoholic beverages. I don't mind others drinking, but, rest assure, I'll be the sober one all night. How do I order a soda at a bar without looking like, well, whatever guys who order soda at a bar look like? For that matter, how do I handle the bar situation? I've been to a few and I survived, but it's never the best experience for me.

  9. #539
    INTJ - The Scientists

    I used to be like this during high school and the majority of college, I hate the idea of impairing my senses.

    That's really cute, i hope it goes well.
    I think you should just be honest just say "Look i have no problem with others drinking and have no issues with alcohol but I just don't like the idea of doing anything that impairs my judgment She should respect you after she recovers from her surprise."

  10. #540
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by starrynightvm View Post
    I used to be like this during high school and the majority of college, I hate the idea of impairing my senses.

    That's really cute, i hope it goes well.
    I think you should just be honest just say "Look i have no problem with others drinking and have no issues with alcohol but I just don't like the idea of doing anything that impairs my judgment She should respect you after she recovers from her surprise."
    Thanks. Glad you're not bitter ;)

    She'll be surprised? That sounds good; she'll probably be okay with it. She's really nice and personable on the phone (she was much different in person, but that's probably part of the job).

    Are you suggesting I'll eventually grow out of the non-drinking thing? There are a plethora of reasons I don't drink, too many to list here.


     
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