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This is a discussion on Intuitive VS Sensor within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; After a long time searching and reading, i came by this website which i hope you may find useful: Sensor ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Intuitive VS Sensor

    After a long time searching and reading, i came by this website which i hope you may find useful: Sensor or Intuitive - The Forest or the Trees?

    I think an average person would be 50% intuitive and 50% sensor.
    Born to be an intuitive which have changed through the years to develop better sensing abilities, I can say that I am intuitive at most of the times and sensor when it's needed.....I seriously had spoiled soup once without noticing it had changed taste a little, therefore, I started inspecting and smelling before consuming food.
    I was famous for mislaying things but through proper organization and intentional focusing, I am proud to announce that I seldom searched for lost things in the last few years (THANK YOU G-D)
    So I believe that with practice, we can become either more sensible or imaginative ...
    Don't you think the different problems and issues we encounter everyday need a little of this and that?!



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    Noticing that your soup is spoiled doesn't mean you're a sensor at that point in time.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by DRSG View Post
    After a long time searching and reading, i came by this website which i hope you may find useful: Sensor or Intuitive - The Forest or the Trees?

    I think an average person would be 50% intuitive and 50% sensor.
    Born to be an intuitive which have changed through the years to develop better sensing abilities, I can say that I am intuitive at most of the times and sensor when it's needed.....I seriously had spoiled soup once without noticing it had changed taste a little, therefore, I started inspecting and smelling before consuming food.
    I was famous for mislaying things but through proper organization and intentional focusing, I am proud to announce that I seldom searched for lost things in the last few years (THANK YOU G-D)
    So I believe that with practice, we can become either more sensible or imaginative ...
    Don't you think the different problems and issues we encounter everyday need a little of this and that?!
    The question is if what happened is development of Sensing or Ni-Te developing a system that mimics Sensing.

    Which is a good thing, but it's important not to confuse things. I can believe that an iNtuitor gets better at Sensing, but I don't see a Sensor getting better at being iNtuitive as easily. Even though experience can help, it seems easier to learn how to pay attention to small details than it is to learn how to see how things relate to each other. But with enough experience, that is possible too I think. It probably just takes more experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewaffle View Post
    Noticing that your soup is spoiled doesn't mean you're a sensor at that point in time.
    well i think it does, as you start to learn to look carefully and use your senses rather than just not paying attention and being "somewhere else" as you eat....

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    As I see it there are two modes of thought, Intuitive and Non-Intuitive.

    Intuitive is based more on instincts and expierience. This type of thinking can not be taught in a classroom and is more attached to our physical body ie; survival mechinisims of Fight or Flight.

    Non-Intuitive is based on facts and empirical evidence. This type of thinking can be taught in a classroom and is attached to our Intellectual Body.

    The two modes normally work together, when we are faced with a given situation the Intuitive thought process gives us an over view of the situation, then our Non-Intuitive thought process begins to break the situation done in to it's basic parts. Once the situation is broken down we then can see the situation as it really is and form a logical order of actions or non- action to deal with it.

    To better illistrate this thought, place your self in a tower over looking a forest, you notice a pillar of smoke in the distance. From this perspective you have a wide view of the scene and are able to begin to react quickly based on what you see and feel. (Intuitive)

    Rather than pickup the radio and dispatching Firefighters you pick up your binoculars which focus your attention in greater detail , you are now albe to determin the exact source of the smoke and respond in a more rational and logical manner.( Non-Intuitive)
    Last edited by Icemann; 12-15-2010 at 06:25 AM. Reason: Multi-Tasking, I shouldn't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icemann View Post
    As I see it there are two modes of thought, Intuitive and Non-Intuitive.

    Intuitive is based more on instincts and expierience. This type of thinking can not be taught in a classroom and is more attached to our physical body ie; survival mechinisims of Fight or Flight.

    Non-Intuitive is based on facts and empirical evidence. This type of thinking can be taught in a classroom and is attached to our Intellectual Body.

    The two modes normally work together, when we are faced with a given situation the Intuitive thought process gives us an over view of the situation, then our Non-Intuitive thought process begins to break the situation done in to it's basic parts. Once the situation is broken down we then can see the situation as it really is and form a logical order of actions or non- action to deal with it.

    To better illistrate this thought, place your self in a tower over looking a forest, you notice a pillar of smoke in the distance. From this perspective you have a wide view of the scene and are able to begin to react quickly based on what you see and feel. (Intuitive)

    Rather than pickup the radio and dispatching Firefighters you pick up your binoculars which focus your attention in greater detail , you are now albe to determin the exact source of the and respond in a more rational and logical manner.( Non-Intuitive)




    If you tend to be intuitive > sensor you will probably call for help at once , however, if you are sensor>intuitive you will look through the binoculars to see more details, confirm then call for help......I understand that at stressful times your preferences for sensing or intuiting will emerge and this is what is meant by an intuitive person or a sensing person ....

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    The reason I use the model of Intuitive and Non-Intuitive rather the Intuitive vs. Sensor is that, intuition and sensing are essentially the same thing.

    Intuition and Sensing are based on feeling and Perception, Instinct

    Where Non-Intuitive is based on logic and Known facts, Reason

    Of course this is just my interpretation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icemann View Post
    The reason I use the model of Intuitive and Non-Intuitive rather the Intuitive vs. Sensor is that, intuition and sensing are essentially the same thing.

    Intuition and Sensing are based on feeling and Perception, Instinct

    Where Non-Intuitive is based on logic and Known facts, Reason

    Of course this is just my interpretation

    It's a bit messy interpretation. You´re mixing S,N,F and T completely up.

    Sensing is focus on facts.
    iNtuition is focus on relationships between facts.

    The input data for both these processess is the same, but the focus within the input data is totally different.


    The same applies to F/T. The input data for both these processes is the same too, but they have completely different focusses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icemann View Post
    As I see it there are two modes of thought, Intuitive and Non-Intuitive.

    Intuitive is based more on instincts and expierience. This type of thinking can not be taught in a classroom and is more attached to our physical body ie; survival mechinisims of Fight or Flight.

    Non-Intuitive is based on facts and empirical evidence. This type of thinking can be taught in a classroom and is attached to our Intellectual Body.

    The two modes normally work together, when we are faced with a given situation the Intuitive thought process gives us an over view of the situation, then our Non-Intuitive thought process begins to break the situation done in to it's basic parts. Once the situation is broken down we then can see the situation as it really is and form a logical order of actions or non- action to deal with it.

    To better illistrate this thought, place your self in a tower over looking a forest, you notice a pillar of smoke in the distance. From this perspective you have a wide view of the scene and are able to begin to react quickly based on what you see and feel. (Intuitive)

    Rather than pickup the radio and dispatching Firefighters you pick up your binoculars which focus your attention in greater detail , you are now albe to determin the exact source of the smoke and respond in a more rational and logical manner.( Non-Intuitive)
    You really need to learn more about the cognitive functions and how the MBTI is derived from them. You´re mixing the common definitions with the MBTI/Jung specific definitions. Also you seem to not have looked yet at how Introversion and Extroversion are part of it all.


    For example, you seem to think that gut reactions (flight or fight) are related to iNtuition. The exact opposite is true. Sensors are naturally focussed on what's happening in the moment and can react much faster. Their brains don't go analizing the whole situation to come up with the best action. Their brains ignore all that irrelevant information and focus only on the imediate danger and thus will have a response ready in a much shorter time. In all "flight or fight" situations you will see S's react faster than N's. You will also see that Se is faster in these situations than Si.
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    Peter,

    Given that I was not making the association with personality types at all, but rather the general human responces to stimuli.

    However if you look to the definition of what intuition is before claiming that I need more research on cognative thinking you will note;

    in·tu·i·tion   /ˌɪntuˈɪʃən, -tyu-/ Show Spelled
    [in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] Show IPA

    –noun
    1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
    2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
    3. a keen and quick insight.
    4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.
    5. Philosophy .
    a. an immediate cognition of an object not inferred or determined by a previous cognition of the same object.
    b. any object or truth so discerned.
    c. pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge.
    6. Linguistics . the ability of the native speaker to make linguistic judgments, as of the grammaticality, ambiguity, equivalence, or nonequivalence of sentences, deriving from the speaker's native-language competence.


    rea·son·ing   /ˈrizənɪŋ, ˈriznɪŋ/ Show Spelled
    [ree-zuh-ning, reez-ning] Show IPA

    –noun
    1. the act or process of a person who reasons.
    2. the process of forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises.
    3. the reasons, arguments, proofs, etc., resulting from this process.

    In which case the model I am using is very much accurate, this is not to say the there are not factors which will affect the different thought processes, ie; Jungian Archtypes and the associated personality types. But as a general rule of thumb it is accurate.
    Last edited by Icemann; 12-15-2010 at 08:55 AM. Reason: making a point
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