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This is a discussion on Ask an INTJ a question. within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by brightflashes If we must box the INTJ type into a specific archetype, what would that archetype be? ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    If we must box the INTJ type into a specific archetype, what would that archetype be?

    The Critical Thinker? The Detached Observer? The Innovator? The Strategist? The Sage? The Loner? The Perpetually Confused with Society-ests? The Waffling Moon Distance Explainers? The Wordsmiths?

    lol. I don't know what it would be. I think I would fit somewhere between "The one-who-is-oblivious" to "The Symbolism Guru".
    The strategic observer?

    -- At least on a notion, I'd say the INTJ often sits on the sideline because of the view. Being able to see most, while engaging as little as possible.
    Or as little as needed? And if things go awry, they can offer appropriate advice or take action, in a sense.
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  2. #25852
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    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    My brother is an intj - I've never found him distant or aloof- he was always comforting, insightful and extremely humorous towards me - we're very close , hence it came to me as a shock when people described him as aloof and distant because with me he's quite talkative and we both use humor to alleviate tragic situations :)

    My close gf of 20 years is an intj and I suppose I find her cold in the sense that she's very cool-relaxed and not that expressive. However she is very understanding, reliable and often time she enjoys the silly stuff that I do, not cold in the cruel cold emotionless arrogant way- but more along the line of being very relaxed and noninvasive which I find comforting

    However thanks for replying :) I'm trying to figure out my daughters type and your answer is very informative

    Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
    Sx NTs are the counter-type (especially if 5s) and they pick the people they get close to and then pour a lot of energy into them. It's compartmentalization basically and if you're on the benefiting side of that compartmentalization, then you will get to experience a person that's completely different from someone else who is acquainted to both.

  3. #25853

    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    Sx NTs are the counter-type (especially if 5s) and they pick the people they get close to and then pour a lot of energy into them. It's compartmentalization basically and if you're on the benefiting side of that compartmentalization, then you will get to experience a person that's completely different from someone else who is acquainted to both.
    This is true of me and my super introverted possibly INTJ friend. The way my inner circle would characterise me compared to my outer circle is very different.
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  4. #25854

    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    This is true of me and my super introverted possibly INTJ friend. The way my inner circle would characterise me compared to my outer circle is very different.
    You bet:

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  5. #25855

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Girl View Post
    (Yes, yes, I know there might be some INTJ who doesn't ask why about everything. But I suspect that poor person really wants to ask why, even if they don't say it out loud.)
    or they don't ask because they're just quietly figuring out their own theory of why, on their own.

    i think this came up a while ago and i remember thinking 'optimizer' was the term i liked best for myself. mind you, that sort of elides the worm-can question of what things i consider to be worth optimizing, and what things i don't.

    still, i think it captures the one specific word that i think is the most common denominator to everything that i do, in just about any context. internally, i sort things, figure out which points of light are the ones that matter in any given bundle of stuff. and then what people witness externally is almost always just me taking the shortest possible path between those internally-seen points of light.

    it doesn't always seem 'optimal', but it's optimal to me, in the terms of my personal value system.
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  6. #25856
    INFP

    Question1: when you guys interact with someone close to you, be it a friend, a parter, parents, do you expect them to say what they actually mean or do you expect there to be a deeper meaning behind those words?

    Question2: what you interact with someone, do you say what you mean or do you usually say something with a deeper meaning behind those words?

    Or does this depend on the person you’re talking to?

  7. #25857

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyS View Post
    Question1: when you guys interact with someone close to you, be it a friend, a parter, parents, do you expect them to say what they actually mean or do you expect there to be a deeper meaning behind those words?

    Question2: what you interact with someone, do you say what you mean or do you usually say something with a deeper meaning behind those words?

    Or does this depend on the person you’re talking to?
    For both, it is possible to do both. I'm fully capable of having a conversation based on, say, song lyrics. Double meanings, exaggeration, all that can be fun. But I will always reveal my intent at some point (I mean there are no mind games or expectations of being a mind reader. Rather, I try to be artistic in my communication.) I will gauge the person I'm talking to to see if they're straightforward, dreamy, etc. and adjust accordingly.

    The harder part is actually restraint - i.e. being incredible precise in your pauses and saying things succinctly. This can guide the person you're talking to. When I'm doing that, it's almost telepathy.
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  8. #25858

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyS View Post
    Or does this depend on the person you’re talking to?
    i don't have overly rigid rules. it somewhat depends on the person, in the sense that i'm not too bad at catching on to what someone is like, and then i modify my expectations more based on that.

    ii prefer people to say what they mean. and i gravitate towards people who are more like that. but i do ask people, a lot. the main thing is that it's silly to expect people to say things they're not fully aware of wanting or trying to say in the frist place. how much e xtra work and dot-connecting work i'll do is dependent on things that are pretty hard to quantify. how interested i am in the conversation, how interested i am in the person, how much sympathy i have for the underlying thing that i suspect is really going on. or how annoyed i am by the indirectness, sometimes.

    i have a lot less patience with people who feel to me like they're consciously dropping hints, fishing for something, manipulating or beating around the bush.
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  9. #25859

    Quote Originally Posted by hornpipe2 View Post
    I'm not really sure of an archetype - the common traits people identify are:

    Detail-oriented, idealistic, obsessive, dispassionate, objective, theoretical, professional, thorough

    Putting this together it's easy to see why they are stereotyped as "the pure mathematician", "the philosopher", or "the EVIL MASTERMIND who wants to take over the WORLD". But there are so many ways these can manifest.
    "the pure mathematician" - John Nash
    "the EVIL MASTERMIND" - Hannibal Lecter

    We love those ones dear to our heart ie. watch Hannibal Lecter Escapes on YouTube.

    I'm missing "the philosopher"! Who would be the BEST fictional or non fictional representative for this one?
    Last edited by Catandroid; 06-25-2019 at 12:42 PM.

  10. #25860

    Quote Originally Posted by Catandroid View Post
    I'm missing "the philosopher"! Who would be the BEST fictional or non fictional representative for this one?
    Whenever wherever you see a particular human becoming the public enemy no 1 just because of his/her minds and words there is the chance for you to meet "the philosopher".

    Including in fiction.

    Sent sans PC
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