[INTJ] INTJ/INFJ What is the Difference Between Heart and Emotions; Intellect and Emotions

INTJ/INFJ What is the Difference Between Heart and Emotions; Intellect and Emotions

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This is a discussion on INTJ/INFJ What is the Difference Between Heart and Emotions; Intellect and Emotions within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I spent a beautiful evening with an INFP friend. She described to me an "offense" that a housemate made against ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists


    INTJ/INFJ What is the Difference Between Heart and Emotions; Intellect and Emotions

    I spent a beautiful evening with an INFP friend. She described to me an "offense" that a housemate made against her. An "offense" that perhaps many people commit often without thought, an "offense" that perhaps some would never commit.

    What was the offense? Not saving her a dinner plate from a community meal. Knowing that she had not yet eaten, another housemate quickly took the last plate and said that was for her lunch tomorrow, so my friend had no dinner.

    The point? It's not about the dinner. It's not about the meal.

    My friend, very un-INTJ-like, would rarely use the word "selfish" or "thoughtless". Not mincing words, I offered "selfish".

    She stumbled and finally said this: "The people in the house are far more concerned with politics and intellect than with the heart."

    I thought her statement was fabulous. I thought about it in context of the INTJ/INFJ discussions here. I thought of the difference of why I love her and what she offers the world, and what is different in this INFP feeler compared to what offends me about the INFJ feelers.

    I like that she is concerned with "the heart", which I find to be deeper and truer than "feelings", which I believe can be misguided.

    So, I wondered . . . in an attempt to define and differentiate:
    1) What it is the INFPs do that work, feeler-wise, different from what the INFJs do that doesn't work for the INTJs.
    2) The difference between "emotions" and the "heart".

    I'd like to do this via one-line contrast /comparisons.

    I'll start . . .



    The heart is where honesty lies, feelings can be deceiving.

    The INFP asks me how I feel and believes my answer, the INFJ tells me.
    Last edited by Danny; 03-05-2011 at 11:41 PM.
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    INFJ - The Protectors


    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    I spent a beautiful evening with an INFP friend. She described to me an "offense" that a housemate made against her. An "offense" that perhaps many people commit often without thought, an "offense" that perhaps some would never commit.

    What was the offense? Not saving her a dinner plate from a community meal. Knowing that she had not yet eaten, another housemate quickly took the last plate and said that was for her lunch tomorrow, so my friend had no dinner.

    The point? It's not about the dinner. It's not about the meal.

    My friend, very un-INTJ-like would rarely use the word "selfish" or "thoughtless". Not mincing words, I offered "selfish".

    She stumbled and finally said this: "The people in the house are far more concerned with politics and intellect than with the heart."

    I thought her statement was fabulous. I thought about it in context of the INTJ/INFJ discussions here. I thought of the difference of why I love her and what she offers the world, and what is different in this INFP feeler compared to what offends me about the INFJ feelers.

    I like that she is concerned with "the heart", which I find to be deeper and truer than "feelings", which I believe can be misguided.

    So, I wondered . . . in an attempt to define and differentiate:
    1) What it is the INFPs do that work, feeler-wise, different from what the INFJs do that doesn't work for the INTJs.
    2) The difference between "emotions" and the "heart".

    I'd like to do this via one-line contrast /comparisons.

    I'll start . . .



    The heart is where honesty lies, feelings can be deceiving.

    The INFP asks me how I feel and believes my answer, the INFJ tells me.
    Another thread about INTJs and INFJs?

    Can't we all just get along?

    I don't know if I have enough indepth knowledge on MBTI to give you what you're looking for, but I liked what vel wrote, and it seems to be true for me in regards to Te/Fe interactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by vel View Post
    Offenses arise when one is approaching the topic using logic and the other is using feelings. That when the Te-Fe and the Ti-Fi clashes start. If I am trying to approach the subject via Ti then Fi to me feels selfish and self-important, and for Fe Te feels aggressive and rude. From what I gathered Ti feels selfish and disrespectful to the Fi-types when they are trying to approach the subject via Fi, and I'm guessing Fe feels fake.

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    INTJ - The Scientists


    Thanks, @Daveman . I'm not looking for a discussion thread, but a "one-liner" thread. Comparisons and contrasts that the INTJs identify as far as what works and what doesn't.
    Last edited by Danny; 03-05-2011 at 11:40 PM.

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    The Heart leads an action, Feelings follow it.

    An INFP seeks to understand, An INFJ seeks to be understood.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Emotions are what move people without objectivity around.

    My heart is what moves my blood around.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    That is totally the difference between Fe and Fi.

    Prepare for speculation without proof...

    <speculation>

    Fi - "How would I feel if that were me? Why?"
    Fi very much has an introspective nature. It's energy comes from within and flows outward to Te. It's a very symbiotic relationship between the two that a lot of Te dominants don't understand. The reason INTJs seem so sure of themselves most of the time is that their feelings on a given subject are usually already set. It is core to how Te deals with information going forward.

    Fe - "This person seems a little sad. How do I fix it?"
    Fe on the other hand draws it's energy from the outside and feeds it to Ti... if you are ENFJ or ESFJ. This is the natural flow I usually see for Fe, feel first and then think about why after. INFJs seem to work like INTJs do. Ti to intellectualize a matter and then Fe to organize feelings afterwards. This could also explain why INTJ's Ni is usually significantly faster than INFJ's Ni - Fi works faster than Ti and Te is a spacial organizer while Fe is an emotional organizer. This is also where I think the INFJs might clash with INTJs, INFJs will come up with many reasons why you're feeling a certain way before fully realizing exactly what you're feeling.

    </speculation>


    As far as empathy goes, that's a matter of maturity. True empathy is not the same as political savviness. It is a deep and personal understanding of the condition of another person. It is not dependant on MBTI type. While Fi by nature might be more suited to achieving empathy than Fe (better at sympathy), Fi also has a tendancy to be disconnected as it's energy originates from the inside - it needs to be fed by an extroverted function like Se... or Te. That's why if you get an FP with an underdeveloped bridge between Fi and Te, they get quite difficult to reach out to. At the same time, an xxFJ without good Ti development is eager for you to share your feelings but often has no actual thoughts on them and is just happy to swim in a tide of emotion without understanding it.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Alextllz View Post
    The Heart leads an action, Feelings follow it.

    An INFP seeks to understand, An INFJ seeks to be understood.
    Could this be why the INTJ/INFP get on so well?

    EDIT: Just realised I didn't say why... INTJs seek to understand too.
    Last edited by v01d; 03-06-2011 at 01:46 AM.
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    INTJ - The Scientists


    Quote Originally Posted by v01d View Post
    Could this be why the INTJ/INFP get on so well?

    EDIT: Just realised I didn't say why... INTJs only seek to understand too.
    I thought it obvious. ETA: Well, I thought it obvious, but when you say "only", then I seek to understand why the "only".

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    I thought it obvious. ETA: Well, I thought it obvious, but when you say "only", then I seek to understand why the "only".
    Edited out, I meant nothing by it.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    INFJ is expecting; a reply, validation you were listening, etc. INFP is requesting; your feelings, thoughts in words.


    So it would look like I'm not listening if I do not reply or am too neutral to an INFJ. The INFP asks what I think, what I feel. There is no confusion what they want.


    DISCLAIMER: A theory only. Please correct me INFJ/INFPs, if you so wish.
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