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This is a discussion on Socionics INTj vs MBTI INTP persona within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Socionics INTj The lone repository of truth — the last stalwart in a crazy world of illogic and delusion. The ...

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    INFP - The Idealists


    Socionics INTj vs MBTI INTP persona

    Socionics INTj

    1. The lone repository of truth — the last stalwart in a crazy world of illogic and delusion.
    2. The self-sacrificing workaholic who works hard, not in order to earn money, but because he doesn't want to give anything less than 100%.
    3. Mr. or Ms. Literal, who says exactly what (s)he means, and trusts that you will too.
    4. The book worm who spends every moment of every day reading.
    5. The smart aleck who never lets authorities tell him what to think and always finds a way to get the last word.
    6. The specialist who devotes every waking moment to excelling in an extremely narrow but highly competitive technical field.


    MBTI INTP:


    1. The Thinker, genius spending all his days thinking, he refuses to stop until knowledge has been perfectly attained.
    2. The Abstract rebel, refuses to adhere to authority or any constrained systematic process of doing anything.
    3. The intellectual, the pleb can not understand him and in turn they frustrate him/her.
    4. Lazy, they do not get anything done since thinking is given the utmost importance.



    This is just breaking the ice it seems as if there is a big difference in the project persona differences between the INTj and the INTP, care to add
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boolean11 View Post
    Socionics INTj

    The self-sacrificing workaholic
    who works hard, not in order to earn money, but because he doesn't want to give anything less than 100%.

    The specialist
    who devotes every waking moment to excelling in an extremely narrow but highly competitive technical field.
    These two would seem to fit INTJs better than INTPs, INTJs with Ni being their more preferred perceiving function will have a more selective and narrower focus on information while INTPs with Ne being their preferred perceiving function will have cross-contextual interest and focus, sometimes what they focus on may not be immediately relevant to anyone else, it will seem like they are collecting many diverse and seemingly unconnected sources of information just for the heck of it, even if it does not lead to a clearly defined goal(which would usually aggravate the hell out of Te).

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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    These two would seem to fit INTJs better than INTPs, INTJs with Ni being their more preferred perceiving function will have a more selective and narrower focus on information while INTPs with Ne being their preferred perceiving function will have cross-contextual interest and focus, sometimes what they focus on may not be immediately relevant to anyone else, it will seem like they are collecting many diverse and seemingly unconnected sources of information just for the heck of it, even if it does not lead to a clearly defined goal(which would usually aggravate the hell out of Te).
    Socionics isn't quite the same, but I disagree since I'm quite jealous of an INTP mate at university who gets shit done and is ultra focused. The "Si"/"Se" difference really shows there, MBTI INTPs are said to be the ones that find it easier to focus and get in the zone, of all the NTs.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boolean11 View Post
    Socionics isn't quite the same, but I disagree since I'm quite jealous of an INTP mate at university who gets shit done and is ultra focused. The "Si"/"Se" difference really shows there, MBTI INTPs are said to be the ones that find it easier to focus and get in the zone, of all the NTs.
    I'm just saying INTPs will tend to wander aimlessly and occasionally bump into something very interesting(Ne), then focus heavily in that particular subject area until they've built enough of their own solid internal model(Ti) then look for another novel, "shiny new" area of interest(I just described my whole way of doing things).
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Socionics INTj


    1. The self-sacrificing workaholic who works hard, not in order to earn money, but because he doesn't want to give anything less than 100%.
    2. The specialist who devotes every waking moment to excelling in an extremely narrow but highly competitive technical field.


    @Robopop

    This doesn't quite work directly, its similar though, for MBTI INTJs, in its totality hard work without results goes against the "Te" philosophy of systematic goals. It seems very INTPs since Einstein was like that, when he found what he wanted he sacrificed himself in order to archive his results; hence self sacrificing without clear goals seems to be more in line with the "Ne" approach to objective reality instead of "Te". And secondly "the specialist" tag is inlne with INTP's ability to get in the "zone", which is said to be your specialist of all the types, whilst INTJs can have something similar it won't manifest itself in the same way.
    Last edited by Boolean11; 09-21-2012 at 07:35 PM.
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    I'm just saying INTPs will tend to wander aimlessly and occasionally bump into something very interesting(Ne), then focus heavily in that particular subject area until they've built enough of their own solid internal model(Ti) then look for another novel, "shiny new" area of interest(I just described my whole way of doing things).
    Again its socionics still, they didn't quite take the same stereotypes, plus also INTPs are judging types, not perceiving ones. "Ne" is not used faithfully since its just a means to Ti, being lead judger types you create a classification prior and then quickly find data that is in line with your desired model. You are prone to quickly discard data as opposed to true perceiving types. On the upside you process a lot more information as compared to perceiving types. Lead percievers Ni and Ne types go through a lot more data than they process, its pretty much a case of having one side leading with the left foot and the other the right foot.
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Should there be a separate INTP and INTj forum? Because from the vibe I'm receiving maybe most INTPs around here will most likely change their type when an Socionics INTj forum is created.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    there is one:

    Socionics Forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boolean11 View Post
    Socionics INTj

    1. The lone repository of truth — the last stalwart in a crazy world of illogic and delusion.
    2. The self-sacrificing workaholic who works hard, not in order to earn money, but because he doesn't want to give anything less than 100%.
    3. Mr. or Ms. Literal, who says exactly what (s)he means, and trusts that you will too.
    4. The book worm who spends every moment of every day reading.
    5. The smart aleck who never lets authorities tell him what to think and always finds a way to get the last word.
    6. The specialist who devotes every waking moment to excelling in an extremely narrow but highly competitive technical field.


    MBTI INTP:


    1. The Thinker, genius spending all his days thinking, he refuses to stop until knowledge has been perfectly attained.
    2. The Abstract rebel, refuses to adhere to authority or any constrained systematic process of doing anything.
    3. The intellectual, the pleb can not understand him and in turn they frustrate him/her.
    4. Lazy, they do not get anything done since thinking is given the utmost importance.



    This is just breaking the ice it seems as if there is a big difference in the project persona differences between the INTj and the INTP, care to add
    What's your source for socionics.... haha jk.
    Socionics..
    1) I do that pretty often
    2) Very rarely... if something in me competitive gets riled up it happens.
    3) I'm pretty straight forward
    4) Hell no
    5) I am like that a lot of the time
    6) I study a lot of various things, but I'm a Chiropractor

    MBTI
    1) Not a genius but yeah
    2) I am like that a lot of the time
    3) I don't think I'm like that too often
    4) Yeah
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by kasthu View Post
    there is one:

    Socionics Forum
    I like the biggest poster there and its not good enough since it seems crowded hence I proposed the "clubs" (like the temperaments STs, SFs...) and "quadras" (for personal growth, learning all the functions with types who share them with you)


     

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